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if they can get along we can
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afc89green
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afc89green
Formerly known as Gordon Elliot
What are your thoughts guys? People never fail to surprise me, we seem to reach a new low almost everyday! Sad day for horse racing. Peace. Afc
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I get stoned to see reality not escape it
I get stoned to see reality not escape it
My fam will say I am escaping "reality" yet as soon as I am stoned I see what so much of their idea of reality is. LOTS OF LITTLE SHIT elevated to the hysteria of survival.
Yeah look at me escaping reality by thinking about the universe I am sitting in instead of standing in line to buy something I saw on TV.
Yeah look at me escaping reality by thinking about the universe I am sitting in instead of standing in line to buy something I saw on TV.
Then I probably wouldn't use the tern 'stoned' to describe this condition. It sounds more like you are elevated
Has your fam ever tried cannabis?
that's a cool way of putting it and i wonder maybe a definition of what it means to be conscious? intelligent beings will always expand their reality.
That is the escape, it opens your mind to the bigger picture, you can see who should or shouldn't be in your close circle, you can see what matters easier
I don't get high to escape I get high to open my mind
I don't get high to escape I get high to open my mind
It makes the mind ponder, why we have thc, receptors, in the first place?
Don’t they already have weed? They sell it to us and use the money to buy guns. Erk.
Worth a go if yer already in Afghanistan just light up a hill or 2
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Vaccines potentially a threat to life?
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AntiVax2020
Vaccines potentially a threat to life?
what are your thoughts?
(Natural News) You’re seeing the reports all over the news: Pfizer’s new coronavirus vaccine requires storage at -70C (-94F), which is much colder than the North Pole. If it’s not stored at this temperature, its ingredients begin to break down and it fails to work. Currently Pfizer is claiming, without evidence, that its vaccine is “90% effective.” But this claim is little more than corporate propaganda designed to drive up stock prices through false projections.
But why do these vaccines need to be kept at -70C in the first place?The answer, it turns out, is because they contain potentially hazardous ingredients that have never been used in vaccines before.
As Children’s Health Defense explained in an August 6th article, “mRNA vaccines undergoing Covid-19 clinical trials, including the Moderna vaccine, rely on a nanoparticle-based “carrier system” containing a synthetic chemical called polyethylene glycol (PEG).”
CHD goes on to explain:
The use of PEG in drugs and vaccines is increasingly controversial due to the well-documented incidence of adverse PEG-related immune reactions, including life-threatening anaphylaxis.
Roughly seven in ten Americans may already be sensitized to PEG, which may result in reduced efficacy of the vaccine and an increase in adverse side effects.If a PEG-containing mRNA vaccine for Covid-19 gains FDA approval, the uptick in exposure to PEG will be unprecedented—and potentially disastrous.
Moderna documents and publications indicate that the company is well aware of safety risks associated with PEG and other aspects of its mRNA technology but is more concerned with its bottom line.
Learn more about the super cold temperature requirements for the coronavirus vaccine in my Daily News Brief for Nov. 18th, 2020:Lipid nanoparticles cause hyperinflammatory responses in the body, leading to severe reactions, hospitalization and potentially DEATH
Why are LNPs (Lipid Nanoparticles) used in these vaccines? As CHD further explains:
LNPs “encapsulate the mRNA constructs to protect them from degradation and promote cellular uptake” and, additionally, rev up the immune system (a property that vaccine scientists tamely describe as LNPs’ “inherent adjuvant properties”)
In other words, the LNPs are adjuvants, meaning they are designed to cause hyperinflammatory responses in human beings, once injected. This is done in an effort to induce the creation of antibodies that then allow the vaccine manufacturer to claim high “effectiveness” rates, even when those very same adjuvants cause severe adverse reactions.
According to recent vaccine trials conducted by Moderna, 100% of human subjects in the high-dose vaccine trial group experienced adverse reactions.UK government prepared for a vaccine death wave
The adverse reactions caused by mRNA coronavirus vaccines are so widespread that the UK government recently admitted it is expecting a massive wave of coronavirus vaccine “adverse reactions” / side effects. As described in my previous article, “VACCINE DEATH WAVE: UK government posts bid for AI system to process the expected flood of COVID-19 vaccine injuries and side effects described as a ‘direct threat to patient life’“:
The UK government has posted a bid and an award contract notice, seeking an Artificial Intelligence (AI) system that can process the expected flood of covid-19 vaccine injuries and side effects.
That bid explains, in the government’s own words:That bid explains, in the government’s own words:
The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs’ reaction text are missed.
In other words, they already know these vaccines are going to kill a huge number of people.
David Knight featured a UK whistleblower on his show today who revealed that coronavirus vaccine adjuvants are demonstrating a 97% sterility rate in women who take the vaccine. This is what happens when you turn your protein synthesis over to evil corporations who are pursuing a global depopulationa agenda:Coronavirus vaccine deaths will be categorized as covid-19 deaths to keep the scam going
Most importantly, as people start dying from coronavirus vaccines, the medical establishment will categorize all those deaths as “covid-19 deaths” in order to claim the pandemic is getting worse.
This will create a whole new cycle of death, media hysteria and mandatory vaccine policies. Those, in turn, will kill even more people, feeding into the very same feedback loop that results in even more people being vaccinated and killed.
Ultimately, the vaccines themselves will likely end up killing more people than the coronavirus. And we will have achieved George Orwel
(Natural News) You’re seeing the reports all over the news: Pfizer’s new coronavirus vaccine requires storage at -70C (-94F), which is much colder than the North Pole. If it’s not stored at this temperature, its ingredients begin to break down and it fails to work. Currently Pfizer is claiming, without evidence, that its vaccine is “90% effective.” But this claim is little more than corporate propaganda designed to drive up stock prices through false projections.
But why do these vaccines need to be kept at -70C in the first place?The answer, it turns out, is because they contain potentially hazardous ingredients that have never been used in vaccines before.
As Children’s Health Defense explained in an August 6th article, “mRNA vaccines undergoing Covid-19 clinical trials, including the Moderna vaccine, rely on a nanoparticle-based “carrier system” containing a synthetic chemical called polyethylene glycol (PEG).”
CHD goes on to explain:
The use of PEG in drugs and vaccines is increasingly controversial due to the well-documented incidence of adverse PEG-related immune reactions, including life-threatening anaphylaxis.
Roughly seven in ten Americans may already be sensitized to PEG, which may result in reduced efficacy of the vaccine and an increase in adverse side effects.If a PEG-containing mRNA vaccine for Covid-19 gains FDA approval, the uptick in exposure to PEG will be unprecedented—and potentially disastrous.
Moderna documents and publications indicate that the company is well aware of safety risks associated with PEG and other aspects of its mRNA technology but is more concerned with its bottom line.
Learn more about the super cold temperature requirements for the coronavirus vaccine in my Daily News Brief for Nov. 18th, 2020:Lipid nanoparticles cause hyperinflammatory responses in the body, leading to severe reactions, hospitalization and potentially DEATH
Why are LNPs (Lipid Nanoparticles) used in these vaccines? As CHD further explains:
LNPs “encapsulate the mRNA constructs to protect them from degradation and promote cellular uptake” and, additionally, rev up the immune system (a property that vaccine scientists tamely describe as LNPs’ “inherent adjuvant properties”)
In other words, the LNPs are adjuvants, meaning they are designed to cause hyperinflammatory responses in human beings, once injected. This is done in an effort to induce the creation of antibodies that then allow the vaccine manufacturer to claim high “effectiveness” rates, even when those very same adjuvants cause severe adverse reactions.
According to recent vaccine trials conducted by Moderna, 100% of human subjects in the high-dose vaccine trial group experienced adverse reactions.UK government prepared for a vaccine death wave
The adverse reactions caused by mRNA coronavirus vaccines are so widespread that the UK government recently admitted it is expecting a massive wave of coronavirus vaccine “adverse reactions” / side effects. As described in my previous article, “VACCINE DEATH WAVE: UK government posts bid for AI system to process the expected flood of COVID-19 vaccine injuries and side effects described as a ‘direct threat to patient life’“:
The UK government has posted a bid and an award contract notice, seeking an Artificial Intelligence (AI) system that can process the expected flood of covid-19 vaccine injuries and side effects.
That bid explains, in the government’s own words:That bid explains, in the government’s own words:
The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs’ reaction text are missed.
In other words, they already know these vaccines are going to kill a huge number of people.
David Knight featured a UK whistleblower on his show today who revealed that coronavirus vaccine adjuvants are demonstrating a 97% sterility rate in women who take the vaccine. This is what happens when you turn your protein synthesis over to evil corporations who are pursuing a global depopulationa agenda:Coronavirus vaccine deaths will be categorized as covid-19 deaths to keep the scam going
Most importantly, as people start dying from coronavirus vaccines, the medical establishment will categorize all those deaths as “covid-19 deaths” in order to claim the pandemic is getting worse.
This will create a whole new cycle of death, media hysteria and mandatory vaccine policies. Those, in turn, will kill even more people, feeding into the very same feedback loop that results in even more people being vaccinated and killed.
Ultimately, the vaccines themselves will likely end up killing more people than the coronavirus. And we will have achieved George Orwel
Just had the Pfizer vaccine yesterday... 24 hours in and all ok so far! Aching arm, tiredness and a bit of dizziness. Hopefully that’s the worst of it.
I’m just intrigued... how many of you either smoke cigarettes and/or mix your cannabis with tobacco? My point being that there is absolutely no doubt that smoking is a bigger risk to life than a vaccine.
I’ve had 15 plus vaccines in my life and zero adverse reactions/ongoing health issues. My parents have both received covid jabs (Oxford/AstraZeneca and Pfizer) and have had zero side effects. Oh and guess what the best bit is... they’re now protected from covid! It’s truly mind blowing stuff. You see vaccines protect you from deadly illnesses whereas smoking causes deadly illnesses. Do you see where I’m going with this? Umm... yeah.
I’ve had 15 plus vaccines in my life and zero adverse reactions/ongoing health issues. My parents have both received covid jabs (Oxford/AstraZeneca and Pfizer) and have had zero side effects. Oh and guess what the best bit is... they’re now protected from covid! It’s truly mind blowing stuff. You see vaccines protect you from deadly illnesses whereas smoking causes deadly illnesses. Do you see where I’m going with this? Umm... yeah.
MRNA is not a vaccine this is my argument.
And not all covid vaccines are mRNA vaccines. In fact the most widely distributed vaccine in the UK (known as the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine) is not mRNA. It should also be noted that an mRNA vaccine IS still a vaccine, it’s just a vaccine that works in a different way
As for your points about mRNA... I’m afraid they were lost in the numerous spelling and grammatical errors that made some of your posts pretty incomprehensible.
The vaccines are new and scare you and you don’t trust the approval process. I get that but talk to any doctor currently working on intensive care units and I think you’ll quickly start to understand that covid is extremely real.
As for your points about mRNA... I’m afraid they were lost in the numerous spelling and grammatical errors that made some of your posts pretty incomprehensible.
The vaccines are new and scare you and you don’t trust the approval process. I get that but talk to any doctor currently working on intensive care units and I think you’ll quickly start to understand that covid is extremely real.
Of course its not a vaccine it totally diffeent it works.in a totally diffrent way. So by its own definition its not a vaccine. Its experimental
Do you even know how many different types of vaccine are in existence?! mRNA is one of many!
mRNA has never passed animal trials because of the damage is does. And because of there fake scamdemic they have rolled it out and guess who owns the private company who is in charge of passing such vaccines through the system.... some of the biggest investors in vaccines own the company who passes the vaccines for safe use . A conflict of intrest me thinks
There's loads of vaccines but they have never and will.never have a vaccine for a coronavirus regardless of what bs rhey spew out
Spelling and grammar have nothing to do with anything. So there's 7000 doctors and nurses asking rhe same question. It is not real if they cannot isolate the viral.particle they say is causing the deadly disease
And you’ve spoken directly to some of those 7000 have you or just read reports on some wacky old website somewhere?
Back to my original.point they have never isolated a viral particle they say is causing the infectious deadly disease
End of argument if someone can debunk me please do . But if your going share isolation papers make.sure the methodology doesn't include antibiotics. ... I garantee u no such paper exists
End of argument if someone can debunk me please do . But if your going share isolation papers make.sure the methodology doesn't include antibiotics. ... I garantee u no such paper exists
Come on bigga's we all friend's here, if you want vaccine then take, if not, dont. Should be that simple. That's freedom of choice and shouldnt be forced.
It's just for me im feel fine and dont wont it, also i dont trust the cabalist type cult's pushing conflicting information which seem to be behind it and in the word's of dragons den "for that reason im out."
WISH YE ALL THE BEST!!!
It's just for me im feel fine and dont wont it, also i dont trust the cabalist type cult's pushing conflicting information which seem to be behind it and in the word's of dragons den "for that reason im out."
WISH YE ALL THE BEST!!!
Yeah, but this is natural man.
And my body told me it was the best medicine for me.
(/s just in case)
And my body told me it was the best medicine for me.
(/s just in case)
Absolute state of this thread.
I for one hope we achieve George Orwell.
He was an incredibly talented man, with balanced political views who fought for things he believed in.
I for one hope we achieve George Orwell.
He was an incredibly talented man, with balanced political views who fought for things he believed in.
The sorts of dodgy, unscientific, uneducated, viewpoints, expressed with so much certainty on this thread are one of the major reasons why cannabis is still illegal.
If anyone wants to improve their knowledge of how all this stuff works, I strongly recommend Bad Science by Ben Goldacre.
If anyone wants to improve their knowledge of how all this stuff works, I strongly recommend Bad Science by Ben Goldacre.
As long as you are ok, that's the most important thing.
OMG this thread! I’ve read and watched extensively into anti-vax before vaccinating my children. When my first son was vaccinated I was almost completely convinced that he’d have an adverse reaction. He was fine. It’s all a load of bollocks.
Yes some people have adverse reactions and some die from being vaccinated. And yes every vaccine carries risk. But the diseases that protect from are more dangerous. It’s about balance.
Measles, meningitis, polio etc. are no joke. They kill and leave people with serious debilitation and in significantly higher numbers than any vaccine.
The anti-vaxers are protected to a huge extent by the rest of us who vaccinate. What a luxury. It’s easy to throw stones at vaccines when you’re being protected by them indirectly.
The reality is that if none of us were vaccinated the diseases that anti-vaxers believe are harmless and treatable would be killing and causing long term debilitation in huge numbers of children and adults around the world.
All drugs carry risks. Anyone can be allergic to anything. How many of you take paracetamol? That kills loads of people every year through allergic reactions.
Peanuts kills loads of people every year. You’d better stop eating them and start a ‘woke’ movement about it. ‘Shit you’re still eating peanuts? Wake up sheeple! The peanut producers are funded by Bill Gates to help reduce the population!’ Jesus!
Life is a balance of risks, for the individual and for society. I’d rather take the risk with a vaccine where 1 in 10,000 have a reaction than a virus that kills between 2-5 in 100 and leaves 1 in 10 with long term damage.
Wake up wokies.
Yes some people have adverse reactions and some die from being vaccinated. And yes every vaccine carries risk. But the diseases that protect from are more dangerous. It’s about balance.
Measles, meningitis, polio etc. are no joke. They kill and leave people with serious debilitation and in significantly higher numbers than any vaccine.
The anti-vaxers are protected to a huge extent by the rest of us who vaccinate. What a luxury. It’s easy to throw stones at vaccines when you’re being protected by them indirectly.
The reality is that if none of us were vaccinated the diseases that anti-vaxers believe are harmless and treatable would be killing and causing long term debilitation in huge numbers of children and adults around the world.
All drugs carry risks. Anyone can be allergic to anything. How many of you take paracetamol? That kills loads of people every year through allergic reactions.
Peanuts kills loads of people every year. You’d better stop eating them and start a ‘woke’ movement about it. ‘Shit you’re still eating peanuts? Wake up sheeple! The peanut producers are funded by Bill Gates to help reduce the population!’ Jesus!
Life is a balance of risks, for the individual and for society. I’d rather take the risk with a vaccine where 1 in 10,000 have a reaction than a virus that kills between 2-5 in 100 and leaves 1 in 10 with long term damage.
Wake up wokies.
Live Vaccines shed and can be found in saliva and stools weeks after vaccination, vaccinated children can infect non vaccinated children!
Meningitis and many of its life changing effects can also be caused by reactions to a vaccine so it’s important to make informed choices.
People that cannot have more vaccines due to past injury are probably not riding on your coat tails I’m sorry, more scared every time more vaccines are dished out incase it makes us sick.
I’ve said before being awake is allowing everyone to have a view and opinion without having to be right or be offensive to others, stuff like wake up wokies just makes you look a bit silly
Meningitis and many of its life changing effects can also be caused by reactions to a vaccine so it’s important to make informed choices.
People that cannot have more vaccines due to past injury are probably not riding on your coat tails I’m sorry, more scared every time more vaccines are dished out incase it makes us sick.
I’ve said before being awake is allowing everyone to have a view and opinion without having to be right or be offensive to others, stuff like wake up wokies just makes you look a bit silly
Hi Katy, you sound like you have a backstory to all of this?
My wake up comment was made in jest and was hardly offensive. It certainly wasn’t an attempt to shut down discourse or imply that I’m right.
Yes people shed live vaccines, but they are attenuated, only have a transmission rate of half of one percent and only cause very mild illness if they are picked up. I am regularly in very close proximity with post-vaccinated groups and have never become ill.
Yes children do have adverse reactions to the meningitis vaccine and yes they have caused harm. But thankfully it is incredibly rare and much less likely than harm occurring from the disease itself. If there were no vaccine, you would also see it as a common illness and would affect multitudes more children and adults. So yes, although it’s incredibly sad that some children are harmed by the vaccine, imagine that suffering multiplied by a large factor and then look at the additional number of children and families suffering.
Even if you have to avoid vaccination due to previous injury (which I’m sorry to hear about), you are nonetheless ‘riding in our coat tails’ as you put it, because those of us who can and who are willing to be vaccinated are massively reducing the amount of disease in circulation, therefore hugely limiting your exposure to any given disease.
Thanks.
My wake up comment was made in jest and was hardly offensive. It certainly wasn’t an attempt to shut down discourse or imply that I’m right.
Yes people shed live vaccines, but they are attenuated, only have a transmission rate of half of one percent and only cause very mild illness if they are picked up. I am regularly in very close proximity with post-vaccinated groups and have never become ill.
Yes children do have adverse reactions to the meningitis vaccine and yes they have caused harm. But thankfully it is incredibly rare and much less likely than harm occurring from the disease itself. If there were no vaccine, you would also see it as a common illness and would affect multitudes more children and adults. So yes, although it’s incredibly sad that some children are harmed by the vaccine, imagine that suffering multiplied by a large factor and then look at the additional number of children and families suffering.
Even if you have to avoid vaccination due to previous injury (which I’m sorry to hear about), you are nonetheless ‘riding in our coat tails’ as you put it, because those of us who can and who are willing to be vaccinated are massively reducing the amount of disease in circulation, therefore hugely limiting your exposure to any given disease.
Thanks.
Yes and we’ve heard your back story too :)
Please don’t take a vaccine on my account. I’m happy to take responsibility for my choices.
I believe many diseases were already in decline before some vaccines were introduced
Over crowing and over population, poor lifestyle choices can be to blame for the resurgence of an illness in the population or even the start of contracting a disease for an individual.
I aim to be ok without processed medicine and foods as much as possible. If you don’t do it for yourself no one else will, think about how much you all rely on things that are not yours and need other people to access what you need or answer to them just to live
Please don’t take a vaccine on my account. I’m happy to take responsibility for my choices.
I believe many diseases were already in decline before some vaccines were introduced
Over crowing and over population, poor lifestyle choices can be to blame for the resurgence of an illness in the population or even the start of contracting a disease for an individual.
I aim to be ok without processed medicine and foods as much as possible. If you don’t do it for yourself no one else will, think about how much you all rely on things that are not yours and need other people to access what you need or answer to them just to live
'Please don’t take a vaccine on my account. I’m happy to take responsibility for my choices.'
That's fine as an individual, but this is the problem with the rise of individualism, people start to neglect their place within and obligations to the wider community.
If you have had previous bad reactions to vaccines, then that is understandable and of course you shouldn't take another vaccine, but the trouble is you're promoting a position on vaccination which influences other healthy individuals not to get vaccinated either, which in turn will lead to more virus in your community, which could well cost the lives of vulnerable people in your community.
No one is an island. Your choices have implications for the community around you.
It's like people who don't vaccinate their children for common childhood diseases. Great, well done, it's their choice as individuals, but by doing so they neglect the community they live in by increasing prevalence of these diseases which impacts directly on vulnerable children who can't actually have the vaccine for medical reasons, such as babies who are under 1 years old and who are very high risk.
I'm surprised you're not at the other end of the argument, Katy. If you can't take the vaccine yourself, surely you want the disease rates circulating in your community to be as low as possible, to protect you and all of the other vulnerable people who could be seriously affected if they contracted it.
That's fine as an individual, but this is the problem with the rise of individualism, people start to neglect their place within and obligations to the wider community.
If you have had previous bad reactions to vaccines, then that is understandable and of course you shouldn't take another vaccine, but the trouble is you're promoting a position on vaccination which influences other healthy individuals not to get vaccinated either, which in turn will lead to more virus in your community, which could well cost the lives of vulnerable people in your community.
No one is an island. Your choices have implications for the community around you.
It's like people who don't vaccinate their children for common childhood diseases. Great, well done, it's their choice as individuals, but by doing so they neglect the community they live in by increasing prevalence of these diseases which impacts directly on vulnerable children who can't actually have the vaccine for medical reasons, such as babies who are under 1 years old and who are very high risk.
I'm surprised you're not at the other end of the argument, Katy. If you can't take the vaccine yourself, surely you want the disease rates circulating in your community to be as low as possible, to protect you and all of the other vulnerable people who could be seriously affected if they contracted it.
I’d rather people worked on self care and natural immunity
Do you promote or administer the vaccine yourself for work?
Do you promote or administer the vaccine yourself for work?
No I don’t promote or administer the vaccine for work.
Believe it or not I’m really holistic, have been seeing a nutritionist and psychologist for years and I do work on self care and boosting my natural immunity.
I’ve read all the anti-vax stuff, seen all the films and while some of it is accurate, it’s a bit overblown and scaremongering and doesn’t really reflect the reality. The way it’s portrayed our communities should be overrun with victims damaged by all of these evil vaccines. But that just isn’t the case on the ground. Neither our hospitals, nor our cemeteries, nor our schools are filled with people who have had adverse reactions. Nor are they filled with people with damaged immune responses, or even generally sickly people. It just isn’t the case. And you’d expect it to be if you believed the information they produce.
It is also apparent that for many diseases, self care and building up your immune system wouldn’t be any sort of defence. Vaccination across the community is the only way to protect against them, both as individuals but also to protect vulnerable people who can’t have the vaccines.
Believe it or not I’m really holistic, have been seeing a nutritionist and psychologist for years and I do work on self care and boosting my natural immunity.
I’ve read all the anti-vax stuff, seen all the films and while some of it is accurate, it’s a bit overblown and scaremongering and doesn’t really reflect the reality. The way it’s portrayed our communities should be overrun with victims damaged by all of these evil vaccines. But that just isn’t the case on the ground. Neither our hospitals, nor our cemeteries, nor our schools are filled with people who have had adverse reactions. Nor are they filled with people with damaged immune responses, or even generally sickly people. It just isn’t the case. And you’d expect it to be if you believed the information they produce.
It is also apparent that for many diseases, self care and building up your immune system wouldn’t be any sort of defence. Vaccination across the community is the only way to protect against them, both as individuals but also to protect vulnerable people who can’t have the vaccines.
We have a huge amount of people with auto immune illnesses don’t we?
Please tell me which ones we need to be vaccinated against?
Please tell me which ones we need to be vaccinated against?
I don’t know the answer to that Katy. We do have a small amount (relative to population) of type Diabetes 1, Arthritis and MS, which makes up the majority of autoimmune cases. But haven’t we always? And is any increase due to better diagnostics and more organised tracking/treatment? It’s only relatively recently that these diseases have been recognised as being caused by an autoimmune process and classed as autoimmune diseases. So I don’t know.
I would say we need to be vaccinated against all the high risk diseases... which already make up the vaccination schedule in the UK. Other countries offer way more vaccines, like chickenpox etc. which you can also get in the UK privately if you want to. One that is on the schedule for children that I don’t think is necessary is rotavirus, which is usually a standard D&V virus and only very rarely has complications. I refused that one for my children. But the big headliners that can cause death or real lasting damage are definitely required.
I would say we need to be vaccinated against all the high risk diseases... which already make up the vaccination schedule in the UK. Other countries offer way more vaccines, like chickenpox etc. which you can also get in the UK privately if you want to. One that is on the schedule for children that I don’t think is necessary is rotavirus, which is usually a standard D&V virus and only very rarely has complications. I refused that one for my children. But the big headliners that can cause death or real lasting damage are definitely required.
All that matters is your happy with your decision at the end of the day, I believe vaccines can increase the risk of auto immune issues, I’ve been speaking with an immunology consultant who said at the moment it’s likely more risk to vaccinate than not to, but that he isn’t allowed to write that as a recommendation because of the repercussions
Agreed, and without becoming locked in a dubious battle of wokeness with sleeper's, I guess some people will always blindly trust.
But when it come's to injecting unknown substance's, (some reported to have mercury within), into my healthy body by proven incompetent evil a hole's well then im out, Thanks for the offer.
But when it come's to injecting unknown substance's, (some reported to have mercury within), into my healthy body by proven incompetent evil a hole's well then im out, Thanks for the offer.
Yes I do agree that adding a mercury based preservative to vaccines isn’t the best idea. Luckily I don’t think any UK vaccines currently carry Thiomersal any more.
For me it isn’t about blind trust. I’m well aware of big pharmacy’s shady tactics.
However, for me (and by default my children) it is about personal risk. A virus (whichever virus) with a high mortality rate and even higher long term complication rate vs a vaccine with adverse reaction rates thousands or tens of thousands times lower.
For me it isn’t about blind trust. I’m well aware of big pharmacy’s shady tactics.
However, for me (and by default my children) it is about personal risk. A virus (whichever virus) with a high mortality rate and even higher long term complication rate vs a vaccine with adverse reaction rates thousands or tens of thousands times lower.
Fear of what could happen... thats how they get you man...
If it aint broke dont fix it and stop living in fear.
But please feel free to inject till your eyeball's fall out... for me i think ill go all natural, hasn't let me down yet.
PS they have know the danger's of mercury long before they started injecting into people, SO THEN WHY DO IT or as you state the possibility are they still doing it?
If it aint broke dont fix it and stop living in fear.
But please feel free to inject till your eyeball's fall out... for me i think ill go all natural, hasn't let me down yet.
PS they have know the danger's of mercury long before they started injecting into people, SO THEN WHY DO IT or as you state the possibility are they still doing it?
You are eating sodium, a caustic explosive, on a daily basis. Oxygen is a carcinogen.
I've said my piece. Challenging your logic or your points won't change your mind. It will just strengthen your position. That's the nature of confirmation bias.
Live long and prosper.
Itd an MRNA vaccine which is not a vaccine ee have never had an MRNA vaccine pass animal trials but yet here we are straightbto human with no testing on long term.effects .... fuck.rhe vaccine . O saw someone say rhey trust the scientists holly fuckthats crazy
And the BIG factor here the virus has never been isolated and proven to exist even the Chinese say rhey never isolated a virus . So we are discussing taking a "vaccine" for a virus thats never been isolated hmmmm why is this even being considered
Prove it use the freedom.of information act and request thr isolation paper for the sars-cov2 viral particle they say is causing the disease . The papers you are referring to the isolation also included antibiotics and what do antibiotics do .... they break down cells and thats what they are calling there isolation . Its not rhe viral.particle breaking down cells in scientific studies its the fucking antibiotics. Please if u have access to a isolation of a sars-cov2 purification paper please share because its never been done .
No, sorry. I'm talking about the genomic sequencing of the original virus and of the various strains. You have to isolate the virus to do this. You said it hasn't ever been isolated, which is completely false.
Antibiotics have nothing to do with viruses, other than treating secondary infections. Antibiotics break down bacterial cells. Viruses invade human cells and force the cell to replicate the virus.
I'm sorry Jimmy, but you (and some others on here) have made it pretty clear throughout this thread that you have no knowledge of science of medicine, I don't mean that as a dig and I don't mean in it a derogatory way, why would anyone know anything about science or medicine, but this sort of wilful ignorance and the spreading of this sort of misinformation is exactly what's leading to illness and death of others.
Antibiotics have nothing to do with viruses, other than treating secondary infections. Antibiotics break down bacterial cells. Viruses invade human cells and force the cell to replicate the virus.
I'm sorry Jimmy, but you (and some others on here) have made it pretty clear throughout this thread that you have no knowledge of science of medicine, I don't mean that as a dig and I don't mean in it a derogatory way, why would anyone know anything about science or medicine, but this sort of wilful ignorance and the spreading of this sort of misinformation is exactly what's leading to illness and death of others.
Where is the papers suggesting there is a viral.partical causing infectious disease where isthe isolation paper its doesn't exist. Plus the only experiments or purification was done mixed with antibiotics they have never showed an isolated viral.particle breaking down healthy cells. Its always the antibiotics. Again it has never been purified and shown to exist now if u can find the isolation paper that would shut me up please post it . Am telling you it doesn't exist there's no such paper
Yeah, you have obviously looked into this with wider eye's than other's and thats just the tip of incompetence. I say incompetence but i believe they know what they are doing...
Biggas, you have an option to take a few minutes to search this information and make your searches using uncensored information platforms.
You can take a horse to water but you cannot make it drink!
You can take a horse to water but you cannot make it drink!
Usually with these things I take the lead of trusted scientists rather than some dude on a black market weed site comment section. Anti vax people are incredibly frustrating in today’s society. The whole reason you’ve never lived through a pandemic before is because of previous vaccines. Take the vaccine (or don’t). But stop spreading harmful lies.
https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?EVENTS=on&PAGENO=3&PERPAGE=10&ESORT=&REVERSESORT=&VAX=(COVID19)&VAXTYPES=(COVID-19)&DIED=Yes
Its not harmful.lies have u seen the number of deaths already from the so called vaccine. The only ones spreading lies are giverment officials and rhere bought and paid for scientific advisers. If anyone sits down with all the facts and still believes there's an infectious deadly disease spreading like wild fire needs rhere head seriously checked. Its no longer acceptable to beleive bbc news and sky news ect. Do.your own research and come back and tell us who is spreading dangerous lies
I wonder what it will be like to re read this above comment in 6 months and see where we are at then! Kids I know that are vaccine free are far healthier than the vaccinated ones imo
Trusted scientiss are u having a laugh its an MRNA its not a vaccine the so called.sxientists tell you this
It is an mRNA based vaccine. It means that you are injected with mRNA which tells cells in your body to produce a specific protein, in this case mimicking the protein spike on the Covid-19 virus. This tricks your body into thinking it is infected and teaches it to produce antibodies that latch onto the protein spikes, so that if you are unlucky enough to catch the actual virus, your immune system already has the blueprint for the antibody and can fight the virus immediately.
It isn’t gene therapy. Gene therapy aims to alter your cells’ DNA to make them do something different. Often to produce a protein, which is why people confuse mRNA vaccines with gene therapy.
Bio weapons cause death or disease. None of the vaccines do this, with the exception of rare side effects.
Bio weapons cause death or disease. None of the vaccines do this, with the exception of rare side effects.
Can you say with certainty when a vaccinated person meets the same virus structure again they won’t likely have an overwhelming immune response that could be harmful?
What you’re talking about is called a cytokine storm and they can affect anyone, at any time, in response to almost any immune response stimulus. So no, no one can give that guarantee to anyone. Cytokine storms also happen when you contract Covid and can and have caused death to lots of patients.
This is something being injected that the company behind it take no liability for the harm it may cause, that have links to bio warfare investors and an interest in being able to put something into people’s bodies, that can at a later time be targeted to create an overwhelming response within an individual, basically being able to control the outcome of the person vaccinated by subjecting them to such a virus or similar to create yes a cytokine storm or worse, I believe this is what animal trials showed happened with this type of vaccine and is common knowledge as a way to create bio warfare within human populations
I don’t know how to answer that Katy. It is certainly possible, the technology is certainly there and has already been tested in war zones. I guess we have to have some faith in humanity and hope these vaccines are being made for good.
I guess one way to look at it is to ask why would they bother? Why bother to create a new human corona virus (it may been engineered at the big Wuhan lab that specialises in studying bar corona viruses and got out by accident), then spend so much time and money creating a vaccine using multinational cooperation, whilst people are already dying and economies crashing... when they could just depopulate, or cause illness through the myriad of viruses, possibly a new mRNA virus, they already have and just blame it in a freak accidental leak?
When all counties are in it together, and most counties are using a mixture of different types of vaccines, who gains from this sort of biowarfare?
Why are there lots of companies racing to produce more standard cultured vaccines, such as the AZ one, which don’t use mRNA techniques at all.
Why bother injecting us at all when ‘they’ control our water, food and air any of which can (and has) be adulterated any time ‘they’ like.
Who benefits from a sickly world population? It costs a fortune in treatment.
Why bother when we’re pretty good at making ourselves sick from what we eat and drink and smoke and all of the EMF and RF that we surround ourselves with.
It’s like the theory about there being a tracking chip in the vaccine. Why? We all carry our phones everywhere, there’s no need, we can tracked 24/7 already.
I think these are all fantastical science fiction and really interesting, but there are easier ways to do all of these things. There are easier and cheaper ways to get rid of us.
I guess one way to look at it is to ask why would they bother? Why bother to create a new human corona virus (it may been engineered at the big Wuhan lab that specialises in studying bar corona viruses and got out by accident), then spend so much time and money creating a vaccine using multinational cooperation, whilst people are already dying and economies crashing... when they could just depopulate, or cause illness through the myriad of viruses, possibly a new mRNA virus, they already have and just blame it in a freak accidental leak?
When all counties are in it together, and most counties are using a mixture of different types of vaccines, who gains from this sort of biowarfare?
Why are there lots of companies racing to produce more standard cultured vaccines, such as the AZ one, which don’t use mRNA techniques at all.
Why bother injecting us at all when ‘they’ control our water, food and air any of which can (and has) be adulterated any time ‘they’ like.
Who benefits from a sickly world population? It costs a fortune in treatment.
Why bother when we’re pretty good at making ourselves sick from what we eat and drink and smoke and all of the EMF and RF that we surround ourselves with.
It’s like the theory about there being a tracking chip in the vaccine. Why? We all carry our phones everywhere, there’s no need, we can tracked 24/7 already.
I think these are all fantastical science fiction and really interesting, but there are easier ways to do all of these things. There are easier and cheaper ways to get rid of us.
There is a government paper regarding our advances in future profitability, I believe to appeal to the countries now we stand alone. This includes wanting to be at the forefront of combining medical and technological interventions to help to ensure coherence of any threat that deviates from the one order to be compliant and profitable for the good of everyone as dictated by those who know what it best for us
This really is a case where lies can harm. That applies to both sides of this argument.
The idea of a rushed drug bringing unknown side effects is a real prospect, it doesn't need all these bizarre fictions and claims of conspiracies.
The idea of interdependent teams worldwide developing vaccines that stop a virus without causing undue harm is a pretty real prospect too, I'm gonna go with that one.
The idea of a rushed drug bringing unknown side effects is a real prospect, it doesn't need all these bizarre fictions and claims of conspiracies.
The idea of interdependent teams worldwide developing vaccines that stop a virus without causing undue harm is a pretty real prospect too, I'm gonna go with that one.
Interdependent teams worldwide lols, there all in cahoots especially in the upper echelons, what do you think they discuss at these large secret world leader parties with proven criminals. Ever wonder why most leading country flag's are all basically the same style varying colour's. (red white blue green yellow but never ever the forbidden purple) Dont get me started on the at the so called rival space programs flag's check em out. Thing aint what they seem my pedigree chum.
But its not a vaccine m8
At the end of the day I will.not be participating in there experimental "vaccine" and let's say the virus does exist which i very.much doubt it has a 99.7 percent survival rate. The so called vaccine will.kill more than the virus
Hi Matt,
Call me a nut but i believe every pandemic has quite possibly been man made, by smart men, scientist. Some have even been proven to be. Small pox, aid's, Ebola even the black plague has nefarious beginnings, check it out. If it's between todays lobbied mad scientists and some dude on black market weed site then im with the latter every time. Plus he's not just plucked this from thin air or even his belief he's simply supplying information which can be verified.
Either wake or go back to sleep my brother.
Namaste.
Call me a nut but i believe every pandemic has quite possibly been man made, by smart men, scientist. Some have even been proven to be. Small pox, aid's, Ebola even the black plague has nefarious beginnings, check it out. If it's between todays lobbied mad scientists and some dude on black market weed site then im with the latter every time. Plus he's not just plucked this from thin air or even his belief he's simply supplying information which can be verified.
Either wake or go back to sleep my brother.
Namaste.
The covid virus shows a structure that has been manipulated artificially to be more infectious to humans, the virus needed to be manipulated to create a structure for it to be able to jump to humans and be so effective
You’re a nut
We already descended into name calling. One that attack's another for their there in this case substantiated belief's is one of three thing scared, antagonist, deep state agent. When one cant articulate their argument they have already lost.
If i where I nut I would be a wing nut as to easily screw the like of you...
If i where I nut I would be a wing nut as to easily screw the like of you...
To be fair, you did say, "call me a nut". He called you a nut. What's your issue? There's no pleasing some people!
Your right I apologies, didn't see, sorry matt love you bro. actually v funny. It's the way these post are moved around and interjected in-between other's, in the end it all becomes a mish mash of unconnectable BLAH. Surely there's a more effective method for group discuss.
Thanks for pointing out cigar your a good egg.
Thanks for pointing out cigar your a good egg.
I want to be positive and say that I hope this vaccine works. One good thing for me, and perhaps its not the most humanitarian approach, but I am glad I am not first in line for the vaccine. I want to see how it all transpires over the next 4-5 months and then maybe we will all be a bit more informed. If all is well, I will probably take it, in the hope life can be somwhat normal again, aka, pre 2020.
Then again, may it will all go a bit 'I am Legend' and it will turn us all into zombies....
Then again, may it will all go a bit 'I am Legend' and it will turn us all into zombies....
Zombies may be a step up from is around the corner, I’d wait until second doses have been given and death numbers counted, also maybe good to wait to see what happens to the vaccine victims if they get re infected with covid as those two factors seem to drive the immune overload and sometimes death
I agree on being cautious and waiting to see results. Some articles have, believe it or not, said there are no long-term side effects to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. Really? I guess it's true if your definition of long-term is a few months. Read up and you'll see plenty of negative side effects including facial Palsy (Bell's Palsy) and severe allergic reactions - I'm sure more of these incidents will be reported as these vaccines are administered to millions over the next year - I hope they don't kill anyone. There are lots of companies working on a vaccine. I'm sure better vaccines will be developed in 2021. I'm gonna wait.
I won't be taking it, Bill.Gates and his wife had several court cases against them because of his vaccines,either people don't know or they forget too quick.
A little bit of journalism in that article wouldn't go amiss. It seems like lots of unsubstantiated ranting with little or no factual backup. Lots of sweeping statements and conjecture and very little basis for it. Not to mention 'Orwell', who was an author's pseudonym, not a state of existence.
Pro life, pro information here, too.
Pro life, pro information here, too.
I guess people get frustrated because if your pro information you would be getting all of this yourself. It’s all there to find, just people using the wrong search engines and information platforms.
There's a plethora of information regarding the danger's of the vaccine's and the diabolical actions of government you just been sleeping through it matey...
Even without information if you still honestly believe that government has are best interests at heart from all that's happened way before the scam/plan-demic days then i fear you maybe lost for good either that or your a proper gander agent.
1 love.
Even without information if you still honestly believe that government has are best interests at heart from all that's happened way before the scam/plan-demic days then i fear you maybe lost for good either that or your a proper gander agent.
1 love.
You've thrown up a ton of straw men there. I never once said I trust the government. I was commenting on the above post, which cites no sources, studies, or any information. Therefore the initial post was full of sweeping statements and conjecture. You comment was wasted.
P.S. I am not pro-vaccine.
Then get on board pal, your statement's seemed negative towards his post due to it not being set out like well detailed journalistic column with source's, studies and information. Thing is it's up to you to journalize the information for yourself, then you know if it substantiated or false, that's problem with today's media, all hoax statistic's linked to bogus charlatans.
(((Have some more straw ))) :)
(((Have some more straw ))) :)
Observations are observations. I don't need to journalise other people's shaky sources when I have my own research in hand. You make a lot of assumptions, write terribly, and misuse your punctuation (quick tip - don't use an apostrophes for your plurals). If I were to listen to anyone, it would be someone who could adequately read my comments, understand them, and respond correctly. You have done none of these things, and you are mistaking me for someone who cares about your opinion. Much love.
Well put... and spelt lol.
Sorry mate must not be as well educated as you in the art of grammar, perhaps the money divide and or posh school's that come with it helped you to become superior to me in this area. Or perhaps they didn't but in this moment im feeling infinitely wiser than you in critical thinking and luckily for me grammar aint shit ha.
Be thankfull I didnt go full LEET on ya ass.
Ball back in your court buddy... :)
Sorry mate must not be as well educated as you in the art of grammar, perhaps the money divide and or posh school's that come with it helped you to become superior to me in this area. Or perhaps they didn't but in this moment im feeling infinitely wiser than you in critical thinking and luckily for me grammar aint shit ha.
Be thankfull I didnt go full LEET on ya ass.
Ball back in your court buddy... :)
Again, observations are observations. Your elementary mistakes undermine your credibility. The way you use your apostrophes is similar to mistakes young children make in primary school. What's to say you aren't making the same mistakes with your beliefs or research. You talk a lot, but you don't say very much. Like I said. It is what it is. You still have absolutely no idea what my thoughts are on the matter, except for my observations on a post that didn't present any clear information or points for debate. People who say they are wise rarely are, so good luck with that. I'll let your words do the talking.
P.S. I didn't say I was or am in any way superior. I merely pointed out that you didn't read my comment, understand my comment, or respond in any intelligent way. Observations like I said. If you feel inferior (or me to be superior), that's with you.
im the best cigar lol...
just kiddin man, starting to get off topic and toxic. emotion getting in the way of what should be friendly debate.
your a good man without malice im sure, i wish ye all the best.
Now let's all join hand's, spread the love and sing a song. Ill start.
"HAKUNA MATATA, what a wonderful phrase."
just kiddin man, starting to get off topic and toxic. emotion getting in the way of what should be friendly debate.
your a good man without malice im sure, i wish ye all the best.
Now let's all join hand's, spread the love and sing a song. Ill start.
"HAKUNA MATATA, what a wonderful phrase."
Lol I laughed that people down vote the option to find out some information for themselves:) I am still laughing!
Childhood vaccines contain ingredients also known to cause anaphylactic shock, they can and do cause death, yet the diseases they prevent against are no longer life threatening, people don’t even stop to look at the evidence, eg incidence of childhood deaths in the last 10 years from vaccine vs the disease, that’s how I made my decision for my family, I’m not anti vax, I’m pro life and pro information :)
There is hope, well said katy, who remembers Thalidomide for morning sickness, truly saddening subject and terrible government involvement, Or perhaps the mercury clock and lead house paint. Humans have lived for a very long time without vaccine's because of naturally strengthened/evolved immune systems, it's only very recent in the scope of humanity that ADHD, dementia, down syndrome, Autism etc. have become rife. I never new anyone with Autism at any level during my younger day growing now im older it seems a large number the younger generations have it.
:) stay on the path :)
:) stay on the path :)
You never saw anyone with autism when you were younger because it was considered good medical practice to lock them up in asylums.
Sincerely, someone who works with people who have learning disabilities.
Sincerely, someone who works with people who have learning disabilities.
They where still locking them away in 2000, I think not. Here you go bud, just blown your statement out of the water with a few click's of me buttons. It has certainly increased.
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&hs=m31&ei=eekbYIKML_7O1fAPtZGF6Ag&q=autism+raising+numbers&oq=autism+raising+numbers&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQDFAAWABg4IIFaABwAngAgAGtAYgBrQGSAQMwLjGYAQCqAQdnd3Mtd2l6wAEB&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjCrLm6ntDuAhV-ZxUIHbVIAY0Q4dUDCAw
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&hs=m31&ei=eekbYIKML_7O1fAPtZGF6Ag&q=autism+raising+numbers&oq=autism+raising+numbers&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQDFAAWABg4IIFaABwAngAgAGtAYgBrQGSAQMwLjGYAQCqAQdnd3Mtd2l6wAEB&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjCrLm6ntDuAhV-ZxUIHbVIAY0Q4dUDCAw
'autism' has been used as a diagnostic term for less than 50 years. it is par of the course that diagnoses would increase. common sense.
Can't make heads or tails of your response. Have you attached a link that I'm not seeing?
yeah there's a link but wouldn't let me add to link's so just pasted, it's to info on rising case's and your right just diagnoses would show raising figure's as is happening now with covid case's but what i'm really saying is i've seen it with my own eye's increase in a time when people where not hidden away by medical professional and the like's.
Namaste.
Namaste.
I’ve been wanting to raise issues about this mRNA because of past trails showing when re infected the body has an overwhelming immune response and attacks it’s self, this is well known at a high level within the medical and scientific community and there is huge concern and at least 2 pro vaccine Drs have died within days of the vaccine that I’ve heard of so far, the implications will not be made known for months, I believe once the second dose or another wave of the virus and we may see mass deaths. On both Moderna and phizer they have some seriously dangerous affiliations and a very bad track record which would be a good place to start researching, just don’t use google or YouTube as you will only get censored information. I don’t need to hide behind another name or argue with anyone, but please research if you feel any of this may makes sense to you. There is also a government vaccine injury scheme in the UK and a site JABS where these government pay out schemes that have won and certified the damage to be attributed to the vaccines. I too have worked for most of my career with SEN children and have no doubt some issues have been caused by their vaccine schedules, but that is my opinion. Maybe look at the cases and the reports of injury from the ingredients on yellow card to see what effects they may have
My masters in psychology and rudimentary knowledge of medicine tells me otherwise. Not trying to start a flame war on LB, though. You are (of course) entitled to your view.
My master's in common sense and rudimentary knowledge of bullshit tell's me something fishy has been going on this last year and if you dont see that i wonder how the hell ever got a cert-ificate in anything, and damn you for starting flame war on LB :)
what a fantastic self-own. i suppose this was already a flame war, I don't want exacerbate it. if you'd like to have a reasonable discussion about this, fine. I don't claim to be the arbiter of scientific knowledge but I certainly know a thing or two about learning disabilities, which is something you brought into the conversation.
Thank you and same to you. You could look up historical MRNA trial outcomes if you are interested.
exhausting... i think im done... like you say can only lead a horse to water.... :)
Have a good day all
peace and love.
Have a good day all
peace and love.
+41 votes
12 posts
All dogs are fascists....
All dogs are fascists....
Well I've never seen a police cat! Lol
Anyone else brought up reading the Freak Bros comics?
Anyone else brought up reading the Freak Bros comics?
suck up
Pmsl! I sit corrected by dancing nazi cat!
That's a bit mean mate... Haha ;)
Love dogs too really...just not the police ones!
They won't mind anyway...too busy biting chunks out of protesters n sniffing out stashes lol
They won't mind anyway...too busy biting chunks out of protesters n sniffing out stashes lol
Chow chow mein?
+6 votes
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SubVersion
Concentrate laws UK
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SubVersion
Concentrate laws UK
Does anyone know, in the eyes of the law, whether getting busted with an oz of wax/rosin/shatter is the same as an oz of bud?
So do the police base the quantity you are in possession of on the levels of thc? I.e 1 oz flower averaging 20% thc would be 5.6g of thc. Am I charged with 28g or 5.6g? Hypothetically of course, I know an ounce or under is percy
Percy depends on if it’s divided up or not. If you have 5 x1gram bags then it will look more suspect than an oz in one bag. They don’t know the thc content when they arrest you. They would just go by how much it looks like. They don’t weigh it and ask you the thc content and whip out the calculator;)
Lol yeah I know they wouldn’t quiz me on cannabinoid content, what I’m asking is whether I’m in more trouble with a higher concentrate thc item such as shatter vs the equivalent weight in bud? I’m inclined to say it’s the same but you mentioned that thc is illegal not the carrier
+8 votes
2 posts
Cognitive biases - why we aren't as rational as you think
Cognitive biases - why we aren't as rational as you think
This is basically as PSA. They should teach this stuff in school, but they don't.
This explains what a cognitive bias is, nicked off the linked website: "A cognitive bias is a systematic error in thinking that occurs when people are processing and interpreting information in the world around them and affects the decisions and judgments that they make.
The human brain is powerful but subject to limitations. Cognitive biases are often a result of your brain's attempt to simplify information processing. Biases often work as rules of thumb that help you make sense of the world and reach decisions with relative speed."
In other words, your brain takes shortcuts to help make your life simple, but those often result in errors.
Big ones to look for in yourself: availability bias (a really common one - the most recent thing I saw becomes the most important thing), confirmation bias (You look for things that confirm pre-existing beliefs but ignore things that don't) and false consensus bias (people are likely to overestimate how many others think like they and their close circles do).
It's fascinating stuff. And when you start to look for those around you, you will realise they are everywhere and start checking against them.
This explains what a cognitive bias is, nicked off the linked website: "A cognitive bias is a systematic error in thinking that occurs when people are processing and interpreting information in the world around them and affects the decisions and judgments that they make.
The human brain is powerful but subject to limitations. Cognitive biases are often a result of your brain's attempt to simplify information processing. Biases often work as rules of thumb that help you make sense of the world and reach decisions with relative speed."
In other words, your brain takes shortcuts to help make your life simple, but those often result in errors.
Big ones to look for in yourself: availability bias (a really common one - the most recent thing I saw becomes the most important thing), confirmation bias (You look for things that confirm pre-existing beliefs but ignore things that don't) and false consensus bias (people are likely to overestimate how many others think like they and their close circles do).
It's fascinating stuff. And when you start to look for those around you, you will realise they are everywhere and start checking against them.
+217.8 votes
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generation w
what if we let the boomers die?
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generation w
what if we let the boomers die?
just playing devil's advocate here literally. and I know there's a zillion boomers right here on lb.
but we are shutting down the planet, this is the largest mutual effort in history. the only thing that compares is oddly enough, war.
in war old leaders decide to send young people to their death, wiping them out and their many potential offspring. yet the old are especially protected. this doesn't make sense in any societal or evolutionary way it just serves the self interest of the old - who happen to be the rulers calling this shot.
now the young are called up again, in history's largest timeout they will lose finances, jobs and sanity as they are terrified into submission to save .0001 of the population, nearly all of who will die from other causes within a few years.
im not really advocating we let anyone die, i am happy to sacrifice for them further than this but lets call this what it is, the story that is always hidden. self interest from the ruling class.
but we are shutting down the planet, this is the largest mutual effort in history. the only thing that compares is oddly enough, war.
in war old leaders decide to send young people to their death, wiping them out and their many potential offspring. yet the old are especially protected. this doesn't make sense in any societal or evolutionary way it just serves the self interest of the old - who happen to be the rulers calling this shot.
now the young are called up again, in history's largest timeout they will lose finances, jobs and sanity as they are terrified into submission to save .0001 of the population, nearly all of who will die from other causes within a few years.
im not really advocating we let anyone die, i am happy to sacrifice for them further than this but lets call this what it is, the story that is always hidden. self interest from the ruling class.
We need more youngsters in politics and less old farts creaming off the state. I think you reach an age when you start to become more selfish and want to accrue wealth. Bills and mortgages start to wear you down. I was definitely more idealistic when younger. We need to be a lot braver with who we allow to run the world and kick out the old guard. the youngsters are going to be paying off our debts for ever unless we change the system. Guy fawkes had the right idea.
The chant throughout this has been that you “can’t put a price on life” which is ridiculous because we do it all the time. The NHS will not buy expensive cancer drugs unless they extend life for ‘long enough’, councils won’t spend on accident hot spots until a certain number of deaths have been er...’achieved’?!
The equation is called ‘quality adjusted life years’ and it’s frequently used to decide cost vs life. That sum has now been done for the pandemic (freaky task) and yup, it doesn’t add up. The number of quality life years saved versus those to be lost through unemployment, poverty, undiagnosed health conditions, mental stress etc are insignificant.
We fucked up. But then we’re only human....
The equation is called ‘quality adjusted life years’ and it’s frequently used to decide cost vs life. That sum has now been done for the pandemic (freaky task) and yup, it doesn’t add up. The number of quality life years saved versus those to be lost through unemployment, poverty, undiagnosed health conditions, mental stress etc are insignificant.
We fucked up. But then we’re only human....
as a 51yr old father of 11yr old twins (one boy, one girl), and reflecting on how I have myself matured (lack of!) I can honestly offer an opinion that humans may be physically capable of sexual reproduction early mid/teens, but that doesn't make them adults. Likewise 20s and even early 30s. I was a selfish prat right up to having kids. Having kids completely changes your priorities and outlook, including CONFIRMING that kids are, literally, the future. So you're right about preserving the future for younger generations. BUT if adults don't become adults (really!) until they have kids, and human kids can't look after themselves, and anyway don't mature mentally til they have kids, we come full circle, that is why you need 2 generations minimum at the same time. HTH!
I'm 27 with baby number 2 due next month. My life didn't feel lil it had much meaning before becoming a dad, I cared a lot less about everything. As for Corona it's really not a big risk to a vast majority of the population. Most of the people dying are 80+. When the people who are 80+ were born their life expectancy was like 67. They've done well. I think all lives are equal but not all deaths are tragic.
There are elements that are particularly cruel for young generations that have been caused by the benefits enjoyed by older generations. Retirement / pension age is the first to mind. We all retire later if at all because they fucked the pension pot for those claiming now. Housing and land are impossible to buy at reasonable prices, because the older generation owns it all. Wealth disparity grows with extended lifespans, as the elderly hold onto it instead of spending it. But these issues are not the fault of those older generations, but the governments modus operandi of dealing the better cards in the deck to those who can vote at the time and have money. Who cares about the generations that can't support government agendas right now? No one is the answer, and it has resulted in a shit deal for the young that will only get worse as time goes on.
love this film :) I'm getting to a stage that I almost agree with it :)
Logan's Run will always get an upvote from this bigga.
I believe I am generation X but I will react anyway. It is an interesting discussion and I understand the thought behind it. The biggest issue I have with your statement is: what makes you think that older generations are not impacted by lock downs or other measures against the virus? Like we are all sipping whisky at our 2nd vacation homes. Your generation or any other is not sacrificing more then any other generation. Much love to you all
Probably fair to say they're not going to pay the bills incurred and they're not having their careers snuffed out before they've begun, they're overwhelmingly locked down in better circumstances than the young.
I'm Gen X and thanking my lucky stars I'm not still in hospitality and shared accommodation.
I'm Gen X and thanking my lucky stars I'm not still in hospitality and shared accommodation.
Believe it, at least the buzz part.
I don't want my parents to die any more than I want anyone else's, but the quality of life for the young is clearly being sacrificed again for the most protected generation that ever lived.
I'm not old (38) and I very nearly got axed by COVID. I don't have a pre existing condition. It's worth considering that many young or younger people with pre-existing conditions are at high risk, as are the disabled and many mentally ill people. The structures of society also make sure that the poor are disproportionatily affected. So, what you're proposing, hypothetical or not, is a cull on the people in society who most need our support. And, I would add, people who add a huge amount of value to our societies. I am as annoyed by how our 'era' turned out as anyone, but putting boomers to death for the greater good? C'mon. Besides, the ruling class are not all old - they have children, who will inherit. Killing old (rich) people would do nothing for society. Advocating that other (poor) people's parents and grandparents have had their time is basically inhuman, or at least profoundly lacking in empathy.
Glad you are ok bigga and your message is hella important. Can I ask do you think there was a better way to handle this? Are you happy with the whole world shutting down to protect you?
love and respect
love and respect
"happy" ??? what an awful, miscalculated question.
Kind of irrelevant IMO because as a species we are all doomed anyway, which I'm OK with, but it's shame we're going to take most of the biosphere with us though, as it's really no fault of theirs. We are species out of control and one which is destroying it's environment. The planet will be much better of without us humans stinking up the place!
here's what im thinking, as long as when i'm burned for fuel a billion years from now there's this little bit of thc somehow left there all that time. and it says thanks, yeah, thanks, THANKS.
I disagree strongly with the war comparison - that's not an example of a mutual effort, but the opposite: it's an example of large scale confrontation. People were called up to defend/attack from other people. MILLIONS of people died over YEARS.
This is a public health crisis, not a war. And the young haven't been called up, keyworkers, carers and health staff have. When I've been out and about with my family, it's fairly clear that the younger generations are the least bothered by what's going on, and aren't necessarily abiding by the guidelines to any effective degree.
And sadly, I don't think this is even something defined by the self interest of the ruling class. I think it's exposed the current ruling class is about as clueless as it ever had been. Johnson's flabby ensemble of random wankers have never at any point been good leaders. They got there off the back of a dishonest, divisionary Brexit campaign based on some entirely different agenda. They now have absolutely no idea what they're doing.
Hopefully it will serve as a reminder to humanity that if a democracy is to succeed, you can only back honest, able and skilled statesmen. Anyone less means we're fucked if there's any deviation from their intended narrative.
I don't blame anyone in this scenario. It's a collective human failure that it escalated to this scale. What I think matters now is the outlook, vision and ability of the leaders that might rebuild for the future. In 2019, world leadership probably never looked so weak... in the entirety of human history. And in the UK, we've currently got one of the most inept setups. BUT. Look at Starmer circling, look what we need to overcome, look what we want to build.
Give it a year or two and I think HOPE will be a usable word again. The Johnson/Trump/Bullshit breed need to move aside.
This is a public health crisis, not a war. And the young haven't been called up, keyworkers, carers and health staff have. When I've been out and about with my family, it's fairly clear that the younger generations are the least bothered by what's going on, and aren't necessarily abiding by the guidelines to any effective degree.
And sadly, I don't think this is even something defined by the self interest of the ruling class. I think it's exposed the current ruling class is about as clueless as it ever had been. Johnson's flabby ensemble of random wankers have never at any point been good leaders. They got there off the back of a dishonest, divisionary Brexit campaign based on some entirely different agenda. They now have absolutely no idea what they're doing.
Hopefully it will serve as a reminder to humanity that if a democracy is to succeed, you can only back honest, able and skilled statesmen. Anyone less means we're fucked if there's any deviation from their intended narrative.
I don't blame anyone in this scenario. It's a collective human failure that it escalated to this scale. What I think matters now is the outlook, vision and ability of the leaders that might rebuild for the future. In 2019, world leadership probably never looked so weak... in the entirety of human history. And in the UK, we've currently got one of the most inept setups. BUT. Look at Starmer circling, look what we need to overcome, look what we want to build.
Give it a year or two and I think HOPE will be a usable word again. The Johnson/Trump/Bullshit breed need to move aside.
Yes but the fact that people are even looking to politicians in an era of science, free flow of information and consensus building media - why the fuck do we still have the twats?
agree somewhat, the damage to economy is going to kill tens of thousands alone, potentially more than would be lost to Covid, but perhaps not (Not an expert by any means). I invite people to look at how many people died on average each 2010-2015 due to austerity measures and debt. Suicides will go up to.
You'll have to send out the nurse on the Segway and take my teeth away!
it's just their point in the cycle. the saddest part is that they think they're enlightened when they're actually browbeaten hippy-child retards.
I know my case is extreme, but its not just old people who need protecting. My son is 2 years old and immunocompromised from chemotherapy. I don't fully believe in the lockdown but it is a bit more assuring for me that it isn't running rampant out there.
You definitely have a point.
The approach of "us-versus-them' is in fact a very European way of dealing with matters.
Indifference to social position, and consequently, acceptance of one's social status no matter what it is, became somehow a doctrine and a duty in the current world (if we are honest to ourselves): it is really the ideal philosophy, an ideological superstructure adequate to peacefully govern our world, conquered with its own consent.
'The old" send "the young" to wars. Because, "the young" (well, all ages really) willingly accept, for example, army duty.
It is only natural, that in current situation, "the young" are contemplating 'retaliation'. :)
I think, the value of a human life became something very insignificant.
Young people wait on the old to die in retirement homes, old are upset with the young, that they show no respect, etc.
A vicious circle.
And we do not really value human life, because we do not understand the concept of self-worth.
Which is nowadays confused with 'pouvoir d'achat', like they say in french (ability to buy). Just look at who the majority of humans are looking up to (movie stars, ufc fighters, etc.)
The thing is, we are never independent or self-made, and we all hopefully will be old one day too. So what connects old and young is gratitude.
No life is more important than another, whether it is an old life or a young one.
And no ideology or state will defend this point at all times, speaking sociologically or/and economically. It is self-damaging to an ideology or a state.
Should we or should we not do this or that? I don't know. Each individual should decide for himself.
I know that generalising (oh those olds, oh those youngs, oh those russians, oh those arabs, oh those french, oh those - would be an insult to my own intelligence.
A boomer is different from another boomer. And i am a survivor and want my children to be survivors too.
I may be never be in a position where i can decide on a broader scale of "should we or should we not".
But i can decide on my personal level and i just value life more than i value my ego.
Here is my humble opinion.
Thank you for being brave and raising this point.
It is important to discuss without fear to offend.
That is what freedom of speech is no?
The approach of "us-versus-them' is in fact a very European way of dealing with matters.
Indifference to social position, and consequently, acceptance of one's social status no matter what it is, became somehow a doctrine and a duty in the current world (if we are honest to ourselves): it is really the ideal philosophy, an ideological superstructure adequate to peacefully govern our world, conquered with its own consent.
'The old" send "the young" to wars. Because, "the young" (well, all ages really) willingly accept, for example, army duty.
It is only natural, that in current situation, "the young" are contemplating 'retaliation'. :)
I think, the value of a human life became something very insignificant.
Young people wait on the old to die in retirement homes, old are upset with the young, that they show no respect, etc.
A vicious circle.
And we do not really value human life, because we do not understand the concept of self-worth.
Which is nowadays confused with 'pouvoir d'achat', like they say in french (ability to buy). Just look at who the majority of humans are looking up to (movie stars, ufc fighters, etc.)
The thing is, we are never independent or self-made, and we all hopefully will be old one day too. So what connects old and young is gratitude.
No life is more important than another, whether it is an old life or a young one.
And no ideology or state will defend this point at all times, speaking sociologically or/and economically. It is self-damaging to an ideology or a state.
Should we or should we not do this or that? I don't know. Each individual should decide for himself.
I know that generalising (oh those olds, oh those youngs, oh those russians, oh those arabs, oh those french, oh those - would be an insult to my own intelligence.
A boomer is different from another boomer. And i am a survivor and want my children to be survivors too.
I may be never be in a position where i can decide on a broader scale of "should we or should we not".
But i can decide on my personal level and i just value life more than i value my ego.
Here is my humble opinion.
Thank you for being brave and raising this point.
It is important to discuss without fear to offend.
That is what freedom of speech is no?
Very thoughtful post (what a pleasure to read this instead of another sycophantic review), thank you for it my bigga.
I'm going to differ on one point. I think the perceived value of life is heading up and pretty much always has.
We are in the midst of the greatest human sacrifice for the least number of lives (in relative terms) ever.
Today's wars kill fewer in total than we lost in a week in WW1 or 2.
Murder rates are way down compared to history.
The financial investment made to squeeze out a few more years is more substantial than even our most recent ancestors could ever imagine.
There's lots more stats like this, they are hard to see when media profits from perceived conflict and makes everything look cataclysmic to get your attention.
I'm going to differ on one point. I think the perceived value of life is heading up and pretty much always has.
We are in the midst of the greatest human sacrifice for the least number of lives (in relative terms) ever.
Today's wars kill fewer in total than we lost in a week in WW1 or 2.
Murder rates are way down compared to history.
The financial investment made to squeeze out a few more years is more substantial than even our most recent ancestors could ever imagine.
There's lots more stats like this, they are hard to see when media profits from perceived conflict and makes everything look cataclysmic to get your attention.
Interesting read here
It is an interesting read. A prospective.
But, I believe what i see and I see a lot of tragedy.
But, I believe what i see and I see a lot of tragedy.
Im in the self employed bracket its truly shit but i think society will come out of this better on the whole
I am in the same boat and i like your positive outlook.
"Have no fear for atomic energy
'Cause none of them can stop the time" - right?
We should also come out of this with as less damage and casualties as possible.
Been self-employed throughout 3 different continents and over a decade already and self-employed equals survivor to me at this point.
"Have no fear for atomic energy
'Cause none of them can stop the time" - right?
We should also come out of this with as less damage and casualties as possible.
Been self-employed throughout 3 different continents and over a decade already and self-employed equals survivor to me at this point.
What if we just quarantine the old baby boomers and give them priority at hospitals, that way the rest of us can keep the world going and contsruct what they need.
This bigga booma had it 9 months ago. I have had my first shot of the vaccine just before xmas. Three weeks ago, we had an outbreak at work... forensic mental health. We kicked the virus' arse.
Not all boomers are bastards.
Disclaimer: if I am a bastard, it has nothing to do with my age. This old goblin girl has always been one. :-)
Neji
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Not all boomers are bastards.
Disclaimer: if I am a bastard, it has nothing to do with my age. This old goblin girl has always been one. :-)
Neji
x
So sorry, fella. I hope something comes along soon.
I am sorry to read that.
Is being self-employed an option?
Is being self-employed an option?
I was self employed hehe
I was in that small percentage who got no help lol and im sure i speak for many...
Unless i change my services...im hoping it blows over soon
Stay safe Vik
I was in that small percentage who got no help lol and im sure i speak for many...
Unless i change my services...im hoping it blows over soon
Stay safe Vik
I see.
My family at the moment is throwing punches at the state mechanisms of supporting struggling businesses - we apparently fall into a category of self-employed families with children.
It's been already more than a month of letters' skirmish haha
My family at the moment is throwing punches at the state mechanisms of supporting struggling businesses - we apparently fall into a category of self-employed families with children.
It's been already more than a month of letters' skirmish haha
Me too.
But i try to think of stress like of sore muscles after a workout. Eventually you surpass it and get used to it.
Sexretary is a good idea!
But i try to think of stress like of sore muscles after a workout. Eventually you surpass it and get used to it.
Sexretary is a good idea!
sorry for the typo. - secretary
Me too. My industry was among the first to go, About 2 weeks before lock down got told to stay at home no income... Now im out of a job completely.
It’s fucked up isn’t it, I’m in that small percentage of self employed who ain’t getting jack shit...I’d work tomorrow but not many want people in there houses now
We can only hope that this flys by and we can get back to work
Some sectors have increased in number of available positions, maybe worth looking into those sectors to get some work for the mean time
We can only hope that this flys by and we can get back to work
Some sectors have increased in number of available positions, maybe worth looking into those sectors to get some work for the mean time
It is survival time at the moment. I like your attitude.
Holiday - strategising and regrouping time!
It does seem if we were a little more honest about this we might come up with a better solution than locking everyone up.
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Bootytrap is partyboob backwards
Bootytrap is partyboob backwards
Just saying :-)
Lived backwards is Devil.
No it isn't
L0L, should have been Booby trap. Stoned thouhhts mhhh
+5 votes
4 posts
by
Riko58
Ratings Overated
by
Riko58
Ratings Overated
ANYONE ELSE FEEL RATINGS ARE OVERATED?
Hey, just a quick thought. Ive tried a lot of different strains on here. Some nice some not so nice, nothing 10/10 for me yet. Understanably, different people will feel different about each starin depending on preference but also experience.
My point is, ive bought some strains that were bad, wet, not cured correctly and yet before purchase, people still rated 10 or 9.
I once rated a 8, and was told that was a really low rating as majority people rate 9 or above. (Average bud prob a 6 if being realy honest)
What is it, that we cant rate correctly/fairly and are giving bud not grown and cured correctly such high ratings?
Its really hard to then find the real gems and also affects the price, as if we all rate everything 10, it seems like even bud that is average at best is going for premium prices.
Any thoughts?
Thanks
Hey, just a quick thought. Ive tried a lot of different strains on here. Some nice some not so nice, nothing 10/10 for me yet. Understanably, different people will feel different about each starin depending on preference but also experience.
My point is, ive bought some strains that were bad, wet, not cured correctly and yet before purchase, people still rated 10 or 9.
I once rated a 8, and was told that was a really low rating as majority people rate 9 or above. (Average bud prob a 6 if being realy honest)
What is it, that we cant rate correctly/fairly and are giving bud not grown and cured correctly such high ratings?
Its really hard to then find the real gems and also affects the price, as if we all rate everything 10, it seems like even bud that is average at best is going for premium prices.
Any thoughts?
Thanks
Rating are not meant to be for how stoned or high you got. It’s meant to be a how close to the description it is, the stealth and service. For example if a vendor says they have C grade weed and price accordingly then why would you mark down. Likewise if you got B grade when it was described as A grade, would you give them higher marks than the accurately described C grade?
Thats a fair point but im talking more about when its described as premium, A+++, top indoor, top shelve. Ive never bought b grade or any lower level. More about when its described as something great 10/10 or import but actually a average uk and at times below average, yet you see people rating 10 just because they received it on time??? Makes no sense sorry. Paying such premium for a "premium" product and receiving nothing such but yet still giving a 10 or a 9.
+23 votes
7 posts
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doc holiday
fuck everyone (kidding)
by
doc holiday
fuck everyone (kidding)
seems the world can't take a joke anymore. they find it more natural to be offended. we need to get weed into everyone's hands probably a little indica and let the crises die. then a time out/party and serious love time, then and only then we start with sativa and make the spaceship.
Fuck it, i'm in.
Still looking for some Spaceship Crewmembers? ;)
Still looking for some Spaceship Crewmembers? ;)
Sorry bro this really pissed my God off so yeah, gotta kill you, I'm sure you understand.
+71 votes
12 posts
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HBiz
Stoned AI
by
HBiz
Stoned AI
I'm not a science guy but was wondering would it be theoretically possible to get AI high? And if so, what are the possible outcomes?
I'm not an expert in AI, but just off the top of my head, i don't think this would be a bad idea.
If they manage to develop AI the same way some theories of human consciousness work: i.e - the Id, the ego and superego, i think a stoned level of thinking wouldnt be too bad.
But looking at the other comments, that depends on what your definition of stoned means. And from a personal point of view, the definition of stoned will differ from person to person.
If they manage to develop AI the same way some theories of human consciousness work: i.e - the Id, the ego and superego, i think a stoned level of thinking wouldnt be too bad.
But looking at the other comments, that depends on what your definition of stoned means. And from a personal point of view, the definition of stoned will differ from person to person.
