Do you not see the hypocrisy in that? you can't claim to 'minimize abuse' whilst at the same time needlessly killing sentient beings.

not to mention the significantly larger percentage of land and crops required to make animal products when compared to making plant based products, you are actually drastically increasing the amount of 'farm work' required to make animal products when you have to feed livestock the majority of your crops

maybe also look into the vast amount of ongoing exploitation and slavery in animal agriculture and meat processing factories.

Interesting topic! Although admittedly, a little puerile. I though we were perhaps past the point of making mass and crass generalisations about large groups of people.

Firstly- arable farming does occasionally require cheap labour- and in certain horrific situations people are exploited and enter into slavery. The same goes for your weed, the clothes people buy, the phone you probably wrote your original post on. Surely a monetary based framework for structuring global society is to blame, and not simply people who don’t want to be complicit in killing and eating dead things when it isn’t necessary?


Secondly, a defence of veganism could be that a corrupt arable farm perpetuates slavery- most do not.

All abbatoirs kill, corrupt or not, and could be the reason why these morally superior vegans justify their sense of superiority- in my experience, most, and include myself here, really couldn’t give a shit about what you eat mate! Have at it!!!! :-)

The environmental impact of a meat heavy diet, and the various links to different types of cancer do speak for themselves.

From a moral viewpoint- i personally require a type of newly developed medication that did a shit load of testing on animals. Loads. My decision not to eat meat was based on that. A load of animals have died to keep me alive- it just seemed reasonable to avoid killing any more if i can.

Good point about the slavery! I hadn’t considered it as much a i ought to. I had heard the argument about field dwelling animals being massacred by combine harvesters anyway, and that deffo made me think….

Do you have data on the number of farms exposed as utilising slave labour? It would be a good starting off point to gauge the ratio you keep asking about.

Also, the quote regarding ‘the most evolved of us’- what are you quoting?

this could all be solved if they just ate bread animals instead

Yeah or animal biscuits they keep better.

Why do anything at all?

"Don't let imperfection be the enemy of good"

most farm work is large scale desperate labor. the moral answer is clear: be a DIY vegan though it's only a matter of time until the immorality of this is exposed ;)

interesting mental gymnastics there, if you want to talk about forcible suppression of opposition then take a look in the mirror, also you immediately politicize the issue when in reality the vastly growing vegan population has absolutely 0 interest in the politics of 'pushing agendas', literally the entire moral compass of veganism is just about reducing / eliminating suffering

i've never pushed for anything (other than moral consistency, on occasions) if i see misinformation i'll simply attempt to correct it like i did with the op.

The best way to reduce suffering imo is for humans to stop increasing their population

whats the calculus for human suffering to animal suffering? is it a 1:1 ratio?

so you're calling scientists and academics 'naive kids' whilst implying you have all the answers?

there's literally nothing more naive than labelling moral consitency an 'agenda'

also you seem to be very hung up on the term 'vegan', well it doesn't always have to be about vegans, as most intelligent rational humans will tell you, this is actually about the animals, not us.

interesting you want to label a rational statement as propaganda, yet you keep saying such things as 'plandemic', 'pushing global warming', 'vegan agenda'

you are clearly highly influenced by propaganda, and i did see your statement about vegan kfc items yes.

Just going into KFC everyday for deliveries made me veggie, but I often go for vegan options. Even Greggs (UK) has vegan now. Just one KFC store, you gotta wonder where all those chickens come from. Just one (and I go to two that are always stacked with delivery drivers and families getting buckets of steroids). How are so many chickens stored? It doesn't even compute bc it's an endless amount. I'm talking two stores in one city. If someone offers me a meal w/ meat I'll chow it down, I'm not going to be a ponce about it, or push my views on someone else. But when you really look at it, or have a discussion with someone pushing the "I could never give up meat" it just falls flat. It's a choice at that point to carry on regardless. There's actually no need for meat anymore.

I have never entered an KFC or ordered from them. Stopped eating fast food a long time ago due to health reasons. Even went 5 years or so without meat and dairy.
Having lived through that ordeal I mastered the topic of food and health, at least in my case.
Btw, Im all for closing down big industry meat production and I support only small local sustainable production of food, not just meat.

Same when I ate meat never ate that crap. It's astounding how many ppl do tho. I agree man it's the way forward for now.

that's so absolutely true that when discussing this subject with stubborn people who 'could never give up meat' it always falls flat, probably why the original poster never replied! the issue of veganism is not contemporary within the scientific community

they will usually just straight up ignore science so they can push their own agenda, when the FACT is, there's actually no need for meat anymore, nor the suffering and exploitation associated with it.

To play devil's advocate, I do kinda get the "can't" pov. Sometimes I've seen pictures of cute cartoon cows for burger bars offering whatever deal, the idea of what your eating is connected but far removed from reality. You could essentially pull the car over to show your kids some cows and feed then some grass, and on the way back get a burger for the kids and a few pints. It's that Alan Brazil/Fruit Pastilles (youtube) mentality that I think the idea of free range needs seen as doing your part. That's what I say in conversation, at least, to the "can't", that free-range makes sense.

whats the calculus for human suffering to animal suffering? is it a 1:1 ratio?

Ok so you've completely disregarded your original post by the looks of it

An estimated 50 billion chickens are slaughtered for food every year – a figure that excludes male chicks and unproductive hens killed in egg production.

that's only chickens but you're welcome to work out your own ratio there bud

Good point, although consciousness is actually immeasurable as it’s subjective… there are ways of measuring intelligence, but that’s a different thing, and academics struggle to agree on how it can be measured anyway…

That’s one of the philosophical arguments of Veganism- we can’t actually gauge human suffering against animal suffering because we have no way of measuring the suffering the animal endures.

Tough one innit!

genius

An interesting method... it would work so well in some parts of the EU kkk

seems so much easier in an eu country considering densities i cant imagine how the russians do this

The European postal system works though

I agree. This would work so well within Europe.

You get geolocation and pictures of a stash site after you've paid. Then rate/review within 24 hours. Lot's of running though.

Good alternative to when post is out. May be LB can that in case of emergency postal failure!

jesus that murder for hire is scary

"This is the end

Beautiful friend

This is the end

My only friend, the end...."

(The Doors)

Rubbish. It's all gravy. Get a bowl on and jog on ya doors!

Stay safe guys.

Cheers. BB

Back and forth many times I gotta give it to Android, way more crypto evolution takes place there than the App Store.

Switched to the Pixel 4 XL after 10 years of iPhones. Keyboard is a bit better on iOS, in my experience, but everything else is better or not noticed on Android. The switch isn't that big of a deal unless you REALLY love iMessage.

I would like to let you know that you can personalise everything on android. Go Android :D

Also: AVOID SAMSUNG AND THEIR STOOOOPID BLOATWARE.

Android all day long mate, apple way to restricted and next best thing to everything costs. Stick with the little green man

Android,

Because fuck Apple.

fuck apple marry android

and have a baby linux

Android because Googles voice recognition on a 100 dollar is better than Siri's most precious iPhone

I've had a Samsung for the last 2 years after being 100% apple since they come out.... and I'd go back to apple if I could afford a new mob right now, just all round a better more user friendly product IMO
Please dont vote me down apple haters:-D

Apple all day. Google are well shady.

it is a good question.

both are phones, both do calls and messaging innit?

at the end it all comes down to what for do you need a phone.
switching from one to another can be an inconvenience, but hey, comfort zone is against progress, right?
in my opinion.

have a wonderful day

Android purely because you can not effectively repair or tinker with an apple phone. Android really lets you get in there and tinker with the device, customize it, change it, whatever you can think of really. I love that.

Every device I have is Apple (for work) but i’d choose Android. Apple are ok but a bit restrictive. have a play with both and see which one you prefer.

I find IOS much easier to work with , once you get used to one of them , hard to make the switch

There is nothing with the "feel" of an apple. If that word resonates with you get the apple if it sounds like bullshit get android.

Not if you're a sex worker

only if you are management

Yep, just check it before you post it

Decentralisation, rebirth of the concept of governments and banks (stores of value and loans of value), the internet of money, the exchange of favours peer to peer, the recognition of favours, global decentralised online democracy, micro businesses go parabolic, communities become self sufficient, govts lose control. Its happening.

The xeb.

This guy is the new leader^

True though. example..I cashed out £3k yesterday just for posting on a crypto sub on reddit for a few years, 3-4 posts a week.. erc20 rewards. I use brave browser which offers free anti tracking, https upgrades, ad free browsing (inc youtube) and it pays as you go with BAT token. It covers my premium netflix monthly subscription and costs nothing.

Neurolink by Elon Musk

relax, he resigned :)

I've read about this before bud but never decided to do it as I felt it would be too little. Can you explain more about it, i'd love to know with regards of how active you actually were. its a very clever idea. did you pay for brave or was it free? I'll go check it out thanks for sharing :D

How do you earn money just posting on Reddit?

from your mouth to jah's ears

nice list!

We bio engineer ourselves into organic super computers, harness the planets electromagnetic field as a server and live as gods in virtual reality.

but it won't be 'us' providing this world, it'll be engineered and controlled by a select few people who will have total control over everyone

yeah theyre called ai

ai has been in control since the 19th century, we are working for the machines, not vice versa

And we don't need to leave the house to do it. Where do I sign?

Yes and still complain it's not like the good old days

You do realise the earth's magnetic field is weaker than a fridge magnet right xD

you have earned 1 toaken

Web 5. Decentralisation of personal data. Anonymity. Buyers Markets. People realise phones arent phones and just tracking chips that post spam in your face all day so we go back to mp3 players that make calls. We reverse the inversion and regain the ability to tell human from computer and truth from fiction again.

Humanity cannot progress or achieve the things we used to while big data has us pinned down with the technology and the mind games, constantly draining every penny we have. We're so busy trying to create money with our bare hands to pay off the debt they are creating that we can't get anywhere and never will.

People are working to take apart that system as we contemplate.

For now at least we have LB.

It seems more than ever the Old guard sees the next wave coming and is way more on top of it than previous leaders. this alone makes it interesting

Life itself?

Hopefully a revolution 🙏

Nuclear oblivion and radiation
Good night and sleep well

Cybernetic implants that turn you into a computer then we will go too far and try and turn the planet into a super computer and blow ourselves up again and it will be back to painting on cave walls.

I think there has always been feudalism in one form or another. There is always a class that ultimately owns everything because they can confiscate it, grant it a "title" or tax it. This premise always leads to same outcome it's just a matter of how greedy or insane the current landlord is.

Everything consolidates one way or another, thats why decentralization is both great and doomed.

probably starting from the neolithic era yes with the only exception of the 20th century, the only period of history where people got a bit of control of the power. Now is going to be lost for decades to come.

We need to look on the bright side, we are actually free serfs. We are free to seek a new master and we can seek redress in the crown courts, unfree serfs couldn't. However if we hadn't spent so much bit coin here we might actually be free with the value of it now.

Wise words, Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel says the same but takes 350 odd pages.

Thanks for sharing.

I see examples of this not just on the internet but in all industries. Walk down most high streets here in the UK and they now pretty much all look identical the same shops, coffee shops and chain restaurants with very few independent offerings. The cost of rent, business rates and all the red tape make it pretty much impossible nowadays for small independents to even start up.

Watching a show about fisherman on the BBC painted a picture of the EU quota system they must use and how the industry is dominated by money and huge boats and how these owners buy up small fishing boats and take the quotas these boats have to use on the mega trawlers.

The car industry seems totally monopolised now and we actually get very little choice - notice how the different makers share chassis and engines and the only real difference you get is the interior and badge. Everything else is pretty much controlled by rules and regulations.

It is obvious that these big players of industry are in cahoots with the those that set the rules and regulations as we saw with the emissions scandal with VW and EU collaboration.

Covid and lockdowns have exacerbated the situation as many small business owners left without any financial supports have gone to the wall while government loans to the huge corporations sit unused in their bank accounts.

Truly depressing times.

This is the model dreamed up by Gabrielle D'Nunzio, Mussolini, Franco and later tried by Stroessner, Pinochet and Thatcher. Always fails cos tho i am a committed capitalist even i realise extraction cannot work for ever as either you run out of victims (Franco, Pinochet) or the victims turn on you (Mussolini, Thatcher) At least Il Duce didn't cry when his turn came, Thatcher mewled and puked like a rat.

Fascinating. Bleak. truly people have been brainwashed by the media and now vote with their wallets. Far more regulation required at the top end, we cant stop the progress, and in many ways it serves us well. Democracy can still win the day, and we can unite for the good of all people. Education is the key, and a few good humans can change the world. It cant be allowed that rampant free market capitalism destroys us. Roll on technical singularity, according to Moores law would be around 2042 but i believe the theory is faultering (Moores law) so might take a bit longer. Technological growth becomes uncontrollable and irreversible, resulting in unforeseeable changes to human civilization. We have just leisure time so we study philosophy and all becone enlightened beings living in a tech utopia. Peace

Moore's law is doing fine once you abstract it to include progress besides chip density. Computation overall is on track when you include advances in software and a.i.

it will take more than economics for everyone to spend their leisure time studying philosophy. but im with you at least

Hope so but would we be the same beings, even the same species? I think Nietszche was mostly a clown but "homo, ecce homo" hits home

I call it digital feaudalism. And yes, we have never really exited the feudal system. It just morphs and transforms, keeping the 1% at the top, making almost all the rest their slaves.

yes, were hard wired for this shit

Nice hook

Like the last feudal era they will ultimately fail IMO. Biden, bezos, bj and the two conos in NZ & Canada are only one mad bomber away from losing all the kleptocratic gains they have extracted. Putin and Xi poss a battalion or two away. Even if the above are stopped there are always despots trying their luck. The better angels of our nature (thanks Pinker, S) have always stayed in the fight so that the new boss is NOT always the same as the old boss (thanks Townshend, P)

apple of anarchy

Fork before dystopia

metaverse exit economy

Luvin The Mailman

My postman is obviously a stoner, just the way he carries the back all slung back on his shoulder gives it away but he also looks like Wayne (or Garth I can't remember which one is which). I keep thinking I should offer him a bowl of the good shit but he delivers so much weed to me I think I'd be putting him in a bad position.

movement of jahPeople

Yessiah

The Internet's pilgrims

Community over capitalism

jizz in pants

portal to post-humanity

I think hyphens are cheating

silence not violence

peaceful anarchist's cookbook

Feels Like Heaven

The future's arrived

love my biggaz

yeah fuck them otha biggaz

Cuz im down wit my biggaz

No-trust *is* trust

Waitrose of weed

Lol

 🤣

capitalism using communism

Accidentally found Utopia

unfuck the world

Break dumb rules

post human culture

New Revolution's Barricade