Arguments Against
upvote here against the initiative

USEFUL TIP ALERT, THIS MAY BE A GOOD SOLUTION TO KEEP EVERYONE HAPPY?

Here is a really useful tip for everyone. Whoever wants to see a full list of posts from everyone with votes, all in one convenient place for your perusal, then just click on link below.

SO no need for people to make their profile page public, if they don't want to just so people can see posts, just take a look at the applesauce page.

If you go to the 'applesauce' page, it will show you every single post anyone has made on here, starting with the most recent, and will show you the full post plus all the votes on it, you will see all my posts since day one, and all your posts to, here is the link

https://littlebiggy.org/u/p/4768981/votesMade

Happy reading :)

P.S it is very humbling and embarrassing and funny reading your own and everyone's comments in one place on the applesauce page. Take a puff of whatever it is that you are smoking on, brace yourself and take a look lol. I learned alot from this page about myself and others, especially to be kind, respectful, honest and let everyone express their opinion without getting upset, or throwing insults. Be brave and go take a look at yourself :)

My reservations and concerns are outlined below in my longest post, for anyone interested in reading it. I can see both sides of the argument but for me, the right to privacy for all should be maintained.

Please thumbs up the 'argument' against or 'for' ... at the moment I am out here battling this by myself, makes me feel a little crazy that no one else is concerned about their privacy

(Here is my original post, I have repeated it here, because people are not looking down that far and I keep having to repeat myself. It's all open for debate, and any helpful contributions to posts are welcome :)

Sorry for long post but there are things that the original post may have over looked...

We shouldn't be forced to make our profiles visible, in order to be allowed to post or vote on topics, just because some readers may be curious as to the author, or find it 'unfair'. It is upto the author, and no one else, if they want to be visible or not and who they grant access to. They should not be punished, and told you can not vote or post unless you give up your privacy, what the hell? why the blackmail? It's like being forced to leave your front door open for anyone to walk into your home, or do you shut and lock your door and only allow who you want in? Or just stay silent and not post at all, because you don't want to give up your privacy and right to restrict your own page to only those you trust with a password.

Just now there is the option ***If you want to see a restricted profile, there is an option to set a password for this in settings, not sure how this works tho, it says ''password required assign up to 200 passwords for viewing your page'' *** Just ask them for the password, but it is upto them if they want to grant you access. Also my settings will not let me change my profile to visible, I have tried many times, a few others are having the same problem, from what I have read.

So if this is the case, and a password can be set, then those that want to stay restricted can, and if they want to give out a password to whoever requests it, then they can. I am not sure how this password works tho, or if this is what it is used for. We shouldn't be forced to make our profiles visible, if we want to post on topics, just because some readers may be curious as to the author, or find it 'unfair'. Another point is that a profile will tell you when the person was last logged in, or what date they joined, again some people would prefer to keep this information private, hence they private the profile. People are more likely to be honest if they feel safe on here, and feel like they can set their own privacy settings, which they can at the moment, so why change what is working out fine for everyone?

Also people may make their profile page private and restricted, so that people are not able to private message them, so will this option be taken away if everyone has to be visible. Basically will privacy be threatened if we all are visible? If profile is made visible on LB does that mean it's visible on search engines? Some people don't want to be visible on the net, or visible to everyone on here, but they may want to allow access sometimes to a few trusted people by setting a password.

What is it exactly that you want to see on someones profile when you are curious as to the author? Why not just ask them questions directly by replying to their post, if there is something you want to know or feel that something is unfair? I don't know, am I missing something here? LB has the option for the user to decide how visible they want to be, this is a win win for everyone, you can be as out there or as invisible as you want, this should not change in my opinion. If LB started forcing visibility, then I would not use LB anymore to be honest, we get enough lack of privacy and being dictated to in the real world, LB always seemed like such a breath of fresh air to me, but not so much lately :(

Some recent posts that I have seen pop up in the past few weeks have upset some vendors and buyers, and I have not seen this before on here, some are trolls, others just want their own way and to hell with what everyone else wants, also there has been doxing and peoples personal bank details and names and addresses being posted for everyone to see. This alone has made me very very nervous now about this site.

People may just want to log on, order and go, without posting anything, if they are forced to go visible with their profile, and not given the option to restrict or deny access, or they may feel that this is not a safe place to post honest thoughts anymore, because they feel to exposed. I can only speak for myself, and I am being honest when I say that I feel like just ordering my stuff and logging off from now on, which saddens me, as I enjoyed the community up until recently. But if people are posting peoples names, addresses and bank details for all to see, and we are being forced to go visible in order to post, then I am done, I just wish I could delete myself and all my info and posts from here, just in case someone can get a hold of my name and address and post it.

EDIT ... If you go to the 'applesauce' page, it will show you every single post anyone has made on here, starting with the most recent, and will show you the full post plus all the votes on it, you will see all my posts since day one over seven thousand of them and counting, and all your posts to, here is the link

https://littlebiggy.org/u/p/4768981/votesMade

Best wishes to everyone, stay safe and protect your privacy :)

I think the initiative here is for the user's public page so nothing but posts and profile statement. Other details in "settings" are not part of your page, even your buying reputation is invisible to people you are not transacting with, it's just a record of your public words and posts by others made on your own page like questions they asked you.

If you open your page then log off and view it you will see what I mean. You're actually someone whose posts I'd really like to read but I wouldn't bother you asking for password access :)

Here is a really useful tip for everyone. Who wants to see full list of posts from everyone with votes. SO no need for people to make their profile page public, just so people can see posts. Click on the internal link below.

If you go to the 'applesauce' page, it will show you every single post anyone has made on here, starting with the most recent, and will show you the full post plus all the votes on it, you will see all my posts since day one, and all your posts to, here is the link

https://littlebiggy.org/u/p/4768981/votesMade

Happy reading :)

Hi Bojack, not sure if your post was in response to mine?

But there is more info on someones profile page then just posts they have contributed to or profile statements. As I mentioned below, at the end of this topic, don't want to bore you by repeating here.

For the record if someone wants to private message chat, to ask questions or who want to know about other posts I have posted on, then all they have to do is request me to PM them. If your page is open I can pm you and you can reply back, even tho my page restricted. I will be happy to answer any questions.

I have tried to make my profile public, and password it, many times in the past, but it does not work, I emailed help about it months ago, but did not get a fix. But now, in light of all the recent security issues on here, I am glad I retained the privacy on my profile, because I don't want my profile visible on google for all to search. There are hackers, that know what they are doing, and can easily get into your settings, even tho they are not accessible. What scares me is the way this site is going, I never ever thought a buyer or seller would ever dream of exposing names, addresses, and bank details, but yet it did happen, and very recently to.

If someone won't ask for someones password to access their page, then they are not that concerned about reading that persons profile, surely ! (I to have been curious and looked at someones page because I liked a few of their posts and wanted to see more, however when I found their page restricted, I respected that and just moved myself along. Or I could have posted a response to them in public, if they would have asked me a question. I always try to reply to everyone, and I welcome any questions.

Don't people realise how serious privacy is on here, am I the only one? Would everyone be happy if their name, address and bank details were posted for the world to see on here? And their profile pages wide open on the web, that's great for sellers for advertising, but not for me as a customer.

I would happily give someone a list, with internal links to all the best posts I have contributed to, and answer any questions, if they asked and were genuinely interested, but I won't give up my privacy on my profile page, without a password, just because people are just curious to have a look.

Anyway sorry everyone, I know I have written alot on this topic, but privacy and physical safety is the most important thing for me on LB, when I feel safe I am happy, but now unfortunately, I need to be even more vigilant because we have people that are prepared to release sensitive info and addresses in a fit of anger or to prove to everyone they are not lying, by posting screen shots. Take care everyone :)

"more info on someones profile page then just posts they have contributed to or profile statements" - what info are you talking about?

Hi avenged, I keep directing people to my first original post, which outlines all my concerns, including what else is on a profile that I personally am concerned about, it's way at the bottom at the end of this topic, starts with ''Sorry for long post but there are things...''

I don't want to keep repeating myself, as I am boring myself now with my posts the size of small novels ! maybe I should stop caring so much about this topic but I want to respond to questions as they come in, so please look below, if interested. :)

Start at the middle of my 4th paragraph which starts ''Another point is that a profile will tell you when the person was last logged in...'' right at the bottom of this page.

how about just answering here so i don't have to read the whole stream of consciousness. no offense at all here it just now seems like you are obfuscating.

Avenged404, I am not obfuscating, I am just tired :) if you can't be bothered reading my original thread, then I can't be bothered repeating myself any longer. I don't have much energy left. Sorry, no offense.

It is not a stream of consciousness, I have made succinct points as clearly and briefly as I could, but there is alot of information there to cram in. Start at the middle of my 4th paragraph which starts ''Another point is that a profile will tell you when the person was last logged in...'' right at the bottom of this page. I have also copied my original post to the top of this page now, to make it easier to find for people.

I just want to retain the privacy that we currently have, not to take away more privacy !

you can set your page for invisible to crawlers like google.

Hi terminator, yes there is an option for this, in settings, but as I have said I and a few others I have seen, cannot change settings at the moment to make profile visible, will not let me set a password either. Yes once fixed I will see then if my profile can be seen by biggy but not the search engines.

But this thread and a few other posts I have made do come up in google when I search my user name and littlebiggy, this I found out recently, I thought the settings allowed for full invisibility on the net, but posts that I contribute to, end up on google, not all posts but some.

What is your visibility set to? This sounds more like a bug than a feature request :)

BoogyWu, yes I think you are right !

More going on here than maybe I realise, hence I am going a little loopy trying to figure it all out.

Wish LB would get back to me, we need a better explanation of what exactly our settings in 'visibilty' do,

Lots of bugs on LB lately, when I first joined I set my settings to be invisible by everything, over time I have often gone in and changed to 'visible' on net and on the wall. I can't even make myself visible on the wall on littlebiggy.

Just do this:
1 open your page to all visibility
visit the page not logged in and you should see it. if not report it on little buggy (url below).

2 add visibility restrictions one at a time logout and check again. Once you see which one is triggering it report that.

5th time recht,

Thank you SO much, atlast a little help and support, I will try this to see if it works, but LB are sending me 'overposting' messages lol so I will take a rest and try this later and reply back and let you know if it worked. thanks again you are a star :)

try asking him fanboy, you can't even send him a message when he is blocked.

sorry i mean fan horse :)

Arguments For
upvote here for the initiative

When you make any post you are speaking in public. I don't see why your other public statements should be hidden, they are also public statements. As for others statements on you that is a primary mechanism of accountability here. Is there anything else on the page?

hi peter, yes there are other sensitive info on peoples pages, that they may not want public, some of which I outlined below in my long post. Besides, no one should implement forced visibility and take away peoples right to privacy and to choose what a person wants public or private. As I said below, there is a password that can be set for people to access restricted pages, but that is upto each person to decide who to let in to view their page. And with people posting other peoples names, addresses and bank details, we should be keeping as much privacy as we can, and have the option and the right to protect information.

Who the hell posts their names addresses and bank details?

They did not post it themselves. They were 'doxed'. Private messages were screen shotted, and posted for all to see. By both seller and buyer, if I remember correctly. This is what I am concerned about, any angry seller or buyer can screen shot private messages and order details and post them in the midst of an angry exchange, people don't think do they somtimes.

I see folks shitposting and hiding. Their victims are often sellers that can't hide nor can they retaliate. It's an invitation for trouble as this community grows.

More of a 'victim' would be the customer who's address and name got leaked. Sellers only have to deal with crappy posts, their is no threat to their address or real identity because they don't have to give anonymous people there name and address, or money to receive a package. Sellers can retaliate by replying to crappy unfair posts, but customers can not hide or retaliate, if they have to give name and address on every order. Just because some sellers are getting crappy messages, this does not compare at all to having your private physical location, name, address etc exposed and posted. I have also seen sellers bank details exposed ... is no one safe on here anymore?

I will always protect my personal information, and not be coerced or forced into giving it up, I value my privacy, confidentiality and security way more than I do a smoke or being able to post. I have already vowed to stop posting after this thread, and just hop on here quickly to maybe buy something, but now I am thinking of leaving all together. No seller or customer should ever be exposing private details on here, especially not someones physical location, where their kids may live, it should be an instant ban offence, this is why I am really shocked how most people are voting in favour of even more visibility and for less privacy ! I really thought I had found a great 'safe' community to talk to when smoking alone, it used to be so much fun to banter and have a laugh on here, but all good things come to an end I guess :(

I agree, as a self policing community we all inevitably become a police department. Like any cop I'm lazy and would rather have intrinsic crime prevention than get all into some petty domestic case.

Sorry for long post but there are things that the original post may have over looked...

We shouldn't be forced to make our profiles visible, in order to be allowed to post or vote on topics, just because some readers may be curious as to the author, or find it 'unfair'. It is upto the author, and no one else, if they want to be visible or not and who they grant access to. They should not be punished, and told you can not vote or post unless you give up your privacy, what the hell? why the blackmail? It's like being forced to leave your front door open for anyone to walk into your home, or do you shut and lock your door and only allow who you want in? Or just stay silent and not post at all, because you don't want to give up your privacy and right to restrict your own page to only those you trust with a password.

Just now there is the option ***If you want to see a restricted profile, there is an option to set a password for this in settings, not sure how this works tho, it says ''password required assign up to 200 passwords for viewing your page'' *** Just ask them for the password, but it is upto them if they want to grant you access. Also my settings will not let me change my profile to visible, I have tried many times, a few others are having the same problem, from what I have read.

So if this is the case, and a password can be set, then those that want to stay restricted can, and if they want to give out a password to whoever requests it, then they can. I am not sure how this password works tho, or if this is what it is used for. We shouldn't be forced to make our profiles visible, if we want to post on topics, just because some readers may be curious as to the author, or find it 'unfair'. Another point is that a profile will tell you when the person was last logged in, or what date they joined, again some people would prefer to keep this information private, hence they private the profile. People are more likely to be honest if they feel safe on here, and feel like they can set their own privacy settings, which they can at the moment, so why change what is working out fine for everyone?

Also people may make their profile page private and restricted, so that people are not able to private message them, so will this option be taken away if everyone has to be visible. Basically will privacy be threatened if we all are visible? If profile is made visible on LB does that mean it's visible on search engines? Some people don't want to be visible on the net, or visible to everyone on here, but they may want to allow access sometimes to a few trusted people by setting a password.

What is it exactly that you want to see on someones profile when you are curious as to the author? Why not just ask them questions directly by replying to their post, if there is something you want to know or feel that something is unfair? I don't know, am I missing something here? LB has the option for the user to decide how visible they want to be, this is a win win for everyone, you can be as out there or as invisible as you want, this should not change in my opinion. If LB started forcing visibility, then I would not use LB anymore to be honest, we get enough lack of privacy and being dictated to in the real world, LB always seemed like such a breath of fresh air to me, but not so much lately :(

Some recent posts that I have seen pop up in the past few weeks have upset some vendors and buyers, and I have not seen this before on here, some are trolls, others just want their own way and to hell with what everyone else wants, also there has been doxing and peoples personal bank details and names and addresses being posted for everyone to see. This alone has made me very very nervous now about this site.

People may just want to log on, order and go, without posting anything, if they are forced to go visible with their profile, and not given the option to restrict or deny access, or they may feel that this is not a safe place to post honest thoughts anymore, because they feel to exposed. I can only speak for myself, and I am being honest when I say that I feel like just ordering my stuff and logging off from now on, which saddens me, as I enjoyed the community up until recently. But if people are posting peoples names, addresses and bank details for all to see, and we are being forced to go visible in order to post, then I am done, I just wish I could delete myself and all my info and posts from here, just in case someone can get a hold of my name and address and post it.

Best wishes to everyone, stay safe and protect your privacy :)

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this is an argument against, it belongs in the other thread

thank you, saddy, I didnt want to post this long post right at the top, so I just added it to the end, however I have made a short post in the correct place

Arguments For (upvote here for the initiative) DEADLINE 7 May

Absoloutly, annoymous buyers are subject to a bigger risk as they have no way to rate. Better of having a profile to prevent this.

There is no anonymous posting or voting on little biggy but for some reason people can click “buy” without registering, this offers no additional security (a throw away account is for all practical purposes the same risk) but creates several problems.

Buyers are subject to worse treatment as they lose the power to rate the seller.

Buyers get no reputation and never have an even hand in transactions.

Hell yes, I have so many customers that lose their temporary password.

OK you've convinced me :)

More ratings clearly makes a better community.

I agree anonymous accounts are a perfect example of security theatre.

Where does this stand?

littlebiggy should only record orders from registered users.

this would make a better name for the initiative, noobs will misinterpret what you have as a call for legacy identities.

Arguments Against (upvote here against the initiative)

I am for the idea but I have to vote against the initiative, it is terminally biased. Here is the problem: the "eliminate" option can not be fairly represented. People that don't want to register are presumably not registered to begin with. If they do register a throw away account for the initiative it will be a noob account with little weight per vote. I can't think of any way to mitigate this problem in the public format here. With biggyscript you could do a few things I suggest this approach or changing the structure of the initiative.

It makes people comfortable for their first transaction. Yes to keep buying this way is stupid and I understand the argument for preventing it, I just think it's a weaker argument.

This was voted down a while back, the consensus was why not let people do what they want.

when you post on little biggy or vote or list an item you are adding content to little biggy. buying on the other hand does not happen here but rather at a payment processor. apart from anonymized reputation there is no permanent content and thus no owner to assign the data to.