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{littlebiggy initiatives}
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body: a neutral description of the initiative.

2 post a comment that says only "FOR" and

3 reply below to the FOR comment with your case

TO START DEBATE AGAINST
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TO VOTE
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COUNT
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= 702 votes at the time of this post.

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21 topics on {littlebiggy initiatives}
klayton88
by  klayton88
Dates & Timestamps
+27
hesh
by  hesh10/10
INITIATIVE : CURRENCY / PRICING
'neutral' description of the initiative = The immediate need for a more stable / suitable currency and or pricing system!
hesh
FOR
+26
hesh
So it's been a couple of weeks and still nothing has really happened as far as coming up with a solution to bring some stability in the pricing for the buyers and vendors, and now that the dollar to pound conversion rate has very very quickly hit it's worst rate on record, and it's clearly showing no signs of slowing down, what are we going to do about this?

My solution, which has been backed up by so many of the sites users that i've lost count, would be the obvious

>CHANGE THE SITES CURRENCY FROM DOLLARS $, TO STERLING £<

$60 is as near as makes no difference, £60 now (£55.26), once you factor in fees for buying btc etc! this is absolute insanity, i'm now unable to afford the order i planned for today due to literal overnight changes in conversion rates

$60 right now is £55.26
$60 a year ago today was £43.20
this is HUGE

I've explained this way too many times in the past couple weeks, but the only reason we are experiencing all the negatives of this is because we are still (for no actual given reason) using Dollars, instead of Sterling as the sites currency!

at the very least, 90% of the buyers on here are within the UK, and all have Sterling in our bank accounts, not Dollars

Dollars and Sterling are neck and neck when it comes to stability in the worlds market, claiming the use of Dollars for stability reasons on here is disingenuous

and how are vendors expected to be sat at their computer 24/7 constantly adjusting their prices on hundreds of listed items just to make it fair for buyers, when all this could be solved with a simple currency change?


$60 right now is £55.26
$60 a year ago today was £43.20

this is INSANE biggas, and it has NOTHING to do with inflation in the context of this website and market

£60 a year ago is £60 today.


one final thing i would like to add biggas that a lot of you probably wouldn't have even seen at the time, or joined long after, but about 2 years ago, before we had initiatives, i was very outspoken about the fact that the BTC prices on here used to be only set in 5 digits, for example 0.0050BTC, and with the instability of BTC, this lead to us never being able to actually pay the correct amount for our orders (0.0057464BTC < how prices look now) often having to pay way more than the order is worth because we didn't have the correct amount of decimal places, this was hugely frustrating and it was costing everyone a fortune, and after making topic after topic screaming at the top of my lungs about how much we need extra decimal places and then out of nowhere with no explanation we were finally given this much needed change when LB went under it's overhaul a couple years back! i wanted to end on that, for the biggas that thought that i'm just bitching, i'm not, i poured so much energy into those topics to benefit all of us, the amount of money that we have all saved since the decimal place change would have surpassed the hundreds of thousands of £ quite some time ago, just like the change i'm asking for now, it's going to save so many people so much money at a time when we coudn't possibly need it more.

Peace.
+12
dr green thumb
Perfectly said . JJ & DGT
+2
hesh
Thanks for your input JJ good to see you here pal!!
+2
Cakes
I,ve seen some of your posts before and definitely agree with you 👍
+2
jolo201201
Let a get this some more traction
+2
westsyda
£60 a year ago is not £60 today. i wish it were mate

https://ycharts.com/indicators/uk_inflation_rate
+5
hesh
i know it's not, but that's not how inflation works on here as i've already explained and so have others, you're misunderstanding the point, that's not how this site works, as other people have already stated, this kind of inflation isn't relevant within the context of this site and buying weed

a £60 listing a month ago is a £60 listing today
a $60 listing a month ago would be about £48 then, and £55 today
^this is unnecessary inflation and instability

if we were using sterling this whole time then prices wouldn't have been changed by much at all

https://cannabiswealth.co.uk/2022/03/30/inflation-affecting-cannabis-market/

when have you ever gone to your dealer and he's said "sorry mate that quarter is going to cost you an extra tenner today because of inflation"... that's just not how inflation works in relation to cannabis
+16
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+16
hesh
previous topic with nearly 400 votes
+15
zz87
FOR - Despite the complete collapse of the £ it is still the most stable currency to use because 95% of buyers and sellers are in UK and the £ is the currency we use. This means that a listing of £100 will always be £100 today, tomorrow, next week if its still listed at £100 then you will still pay £100 - this is stability. A $100 listing is £76 then £78 then £82 then £86 then £90 now it's £95even though its still listed unchanged at $100 - that is instability.

Sellers don't want to adjust their prices every day depending on international markets that have no baring on their business.
+3
hesh
everything you've just said makes absolute perfect sense and it's disheartening to see that this is still misunderstood by a few

the only reason i can see this not making sense to someone is if they either haven't though about it all, or they have little to no buying experience on here
+13
hesh
+14
hesh
original topic was posted 3 days ago (23 sep) but it's not being shown on the wall

we've waited too long and now look

at what point does this insanity need to reach before we can get something changed?
+14
Emz2460
Bump bump bump
Being silenced by LB here
+12
Emz2460
For
+9
Cannolad
FOR
+3
Catsbananas
There are a lot of up votes on individual comments, shouldn't the up votes be against this hesh comment 'FOR' in order to be counted? Or am I reading the instructions at the top wrong? "Votes for comments are just appreciation"

Shouldn't there also be one AGAINST comment to register votes?

Is all the voting going to waste? If I am right get up voting on the hesh comment FOR!!!
+2
bpwmemmott
This is just common sense. Hesh talking absolute facts in here.
+1
UKStoner666
FOR
+1
grits
there's some shite thinking here but if i take the proposal literally as "a more stable / suitable currency and or pricing" then yeah. not sure how that would work though.
+6
hesh
there's some shite comments as well... unbelievable some people.. sorry for being the only person to actually get traction on this topic and start making much needed changes on here mate...

my whole point is to try and bring more stability for everyone as quickly as possible, and thinking of a way forward is the only way

calling this 'shite' without giving any reason why, or actually contributing a good idea, what use is that?
+15
Emz2460
Please listen LB
This has mine and many others support, please stop hammering us with exchange rates it’s crippling
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+10
Jimmy_Bison
FOR
+7
Mo_Gz
FOR
+12
Greentech
FOR - preferably stable coin, then theirs no issues with payment release dates of 16days for vendors who are then stuck in huge currency fluctuations and this year alone has seen at least 3 occasions of the escrows halving in value within that 16 day period.

It does not make sense, not with the pressures of staying stealth and not being caught by the bizzes we now have to have a degree in economics just to make sure have enough to pay our supplier's in 2 weeks for the reload or have enough money for fuel etc.

The world is at a financial knife edge and if this does not get sorted some poor vendors going to be getting a hiding or 2 from some pissed off supplier who wants their money the plain facts.
+11
dr green thumb
FOR . JJ & DGT
sam508
FOR

I’ve found myself going else where recently due to the prices on here. 🤷‍♂️ but sadly some people don’t have that option :(
+8
OldnGrumpy
FOR
+7
Thweeodem
FOR
mr allmonde
AGAINST
+3
mr allmonde
regardless of this exercise the sellers need to lower their rates. they need to do this now (right now please if you are a seller reading this)
Greentech
Vendors are not a charity we are here to try and make a profit. The prices are at the lowest points that I have ever seen on LB.

Can I ask you a question Mr Allmonde can I ask that you take a wage cut in your job, please?

And also at the same time pay more for your fuel and food and all the other crap.

Do you not think vendors deserve to make a living??
+7
mr allmonde
sure that's a good question that illustrates the fallacy of this initiative.

if i were being paid in dollars i would be making more pounds right now - just like you are.

if we change it to pounds today i'm still making the same amount anyway right?

you with me sir?

so in order for anything to change and for me to stop capturing the difference - like you are right now - i would have to lower my wage.
+1
Greentech
Correct if you are buying in dollars and paying for shipping in dollars but what I see beneath my feet is UK soil so no.

So unless you are not physically living here and working here no because every shop I go into still asks me for pounds when I shop.

It's really that simple Mr Allmonde.

The only way it works is if you buy from America and even then you still pay everything else shipping etc in pounds.
+3
mr allmonde
it doesn't matter if you are buying from swahili or if lb changes to shkels my friend, you will have to lower your prices to get lower prices to your customers.

can you see this?
+1
Greentech
Our prices are around 20% less across the board more or less from this time last year when things were even cheaper than they are now.

The risk reward ratio Mr Allmond is very low atm for vendors.

We are not in control of the currency markets and what happens in 2 wks after we have paid shipping and sent the item and we see the prices fall even lower and our money is still not being paid out are you going to send money to vendors when they go broke??
+4
mr allmonde
fair enough, this is a free market and people set their own prices and you sir are a market leader.

yet everything you say proves that this initiative will not save anyone a cent.
+5
hesh
prices haven't been adjust once since months ago when you could buy a dollar for 73pence

switching to sterling would save the majority of the sites users quite a bit more than a cent... i would actually be able to afford to buy the same things i bought on here last week for example

you dont seem to undertstand people do not set their prices daily based on conversion rates here, so buyers are always losing money, not only that it will / has already reached a point where people can't afford to order because of the exchange rate, and then vendors won't be making any money at all if people can't afford to order
+1
Al Tokeville
Only if it comes from the seller's pockets.
+4
Jang
100% agree
ike
if sellers dont lower their prices then then the pound would need to fall even further for this to have any effect whatsoever .
+3
hesh
?

up untill the creation of this topic literally nobody has adjust prices to account for conversion rates

$100 order 1 year ago = £72
$100 order 1 month ago = £86
$100 order today = £93

if we get this change, it has an immediate effect for everyone
+1
Greentech
Hesh alot of vendors from earlier in the year have already been wiped out and alot that have been trading for the last 12months are just about keeping there heads above water after the btc price dropped 3 times in value, just take a step back and have a think about what i have just said.

The price of BTC is likely to drop further over the coming months so what you are asking is for vendors to do is commit financial suicide.

Its not up to the vendors its up to the admin on here to sort this out.
+2
hesh
the inherent instability of BTC is something we've all been dealing with and there's nothing we can do about that unfortunately

but achieving more stable prices for buyers is the opposite of financial suicide, it's incredibly beneficial for vendors to have more stable pricing with sterling instead of dollars, i'm down so much money this month because of overpaying for this conversion rate to the point i've had to go round this morning asking vendors if they can do me a custom order because i can no longer afford the fixed prices on their menus

in my original post i said it was up to the admins to sort this out but we never hear from them, and since then i've had vendors saying it's up to vendors to sort this out?

at the end of the day WE need to sort this out as a community immediately and that's why i started this initiative, even though it's probably putting a target on my back for some people, this should all be about working towards a greater good! as currently the way things are going, nobody will be buying on here as others have already stated they are buying / looking elsewhere because of this
+2
westsyda
I think it will fall further but I see your point.
+1
Greentech
Yes I agree with all the borrowing that the UK government keeps doing it will only weaken.

When all those people where calling for a lockdown this is the price that we pay.

For all those people who where PAYE and were getting 80% of their wages for sitting on there backsides for months at a time, this is the cost of that.

Just think when you go on holiday now the same applies. Do you think Maria from the beach resort in Spain will be giving you more sangria because our pound is fucked ?

We need to accept that we all need to work harder to make the same money as this time last year it's that simple it won't be getting better it will be getting worse very sorry to say it how it is but that's the bare bones of the matter.

We asked for it we got it, this country is fucked.
+2
hesh
you don't actually have to change your prices though if this goes through

example

your mcflurry, 7g, $80, been the same price for about a month, but for us a buyer, that costs us £10 more for the same order of $80 than it did a month ago

now lets say we had sterling as the sites currency a month ago

your 7g of mcflurry would have been listed at £68 a month ago, dollar rates would be irrelevant and a month later your same listing would still be £68 instead of the £75 it costs now

so what's actually happening here is buyers are the charity here, a lot of us are here to buy a specific amount of medicine each week / month and lots of us are being fucked out of that because of a conversion rate, eventually vendors are going to end up with a lot less money if people can't afford to order because of a conversion rate
+1
Greentech
Yes agreed the customer needs a better option.

If a vendor does not sell for a few weeks its better than not selling and taking a loss which has happened quite alot this year with the markets crashing.

If we knew 100% that you pay £68 and we receive that amount minus the Biggy fees there would be no issues as we are sheltered from factors outside of our control, but unfortunately that's not the case vendors are walking a tightrope, which is very perilous.

I have woken up 3 times in the last 12 months to have seen over $25k evaporate to around $9k even though I am working my bollocks off I still have lost.

Sometimes I question what is the point but it comes back to the buzz and the thrill I suppose otherwise it could be percevied as madness lol
Mrcaa_420
"I can't afford to smoke so vendors need to make it cheaper for me"

Sorry mate, Mary j is a luxury, if you can't afford to smoke the amounts you want, then don't.
+5
hesh
completely missed the entire point

evidently total lack of understanding of everything said here and i can tell by your attitude and posts that you aren't worth explaining it to either
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+6
Cakes
FOR
+5
klayton88
100% behind this initiative but sadly I think the site owners don't care. They posted last week about prioritising things behind the scenes. I've not once seen a feature the community has asked for implemented here. I get the feeling the site is run part time by a small group. I know of other marketplaces that have even the most basic of features... dated posts, search features, pages that don't take minutes to load if they have more than 200 topics on them. I can get over the dated posts and loading times but I can't get over the prices. The other place I buy from has lots of flower variety (shit for carts and edibles etc) but flower has always been £37.50 for eighths and doesn't change. It think the LB staff maybe reached the limit of their abilities. Simple functions that any other online marketplace in the world has, the LB staff don't to have the knowledge/time/tools to implement.
+4
hesh
as of today 27th sep:

26.2 votes for
5.2 votes against

1 of the votes against is from a new account with no post history, 2 other votes are from fairly new accounts with little post history, none of them have presented an argument against this either
+3
hesh
BTW BIGGAS THE ONLY POSTS THAT NEED VOTES IN THIS TOPIC IS THE ONE POST THAT SAYS "FOR" WITH NO OTHER WORDS
AND THE OTHER POST THAT SAYS "AGAINST" WITH NO OTHER WORDS

the rest of the posts are opinions / debates!
the result of this initiative is decided by the FOR or AGAINST votes as explained by the initiative borg!

Thank every single one of you for your input especially the vendors who have already made changes to their pricing to try and help with this situation <3
+2
WeedStarTHC
Why isn't the GBP&USD price linked to the BTC price?

Altough, tbh, as vendors we should be price checking ourselves and our competition regularly anyway. Or, our customers would give us a nudge I'm sure.

At the same time, the best addition to this site would be both the currency prices, and the ability to settle funds, both customer>vendor and vendor>customer direct on the site.

The current 16 day escrow is laughable and a potential exit scam waiting to happen... the option for the customer to finalize on delivery hurts no-one

WeedStar
+2
klayton88
100% behind this initiative but sadly I think the site owners don't care. They posted last week about prioritising things behind the scenes. I've not once seen a feature the community has asked for implemented her. I get the feeling the site is run part time but a small group. I know of other marketplaces that have even the most basic of features... dated posts, search features, pages that don't take minutes to load if they have more than 200 topics on them. I can get over the dated posts and loading times but I can't get over the prices. The other place I buy from has lots of flower variety (shit for carts and edibles etc) but flower has always been 37.50 for eighths and doesn't change. It stink of incompetence now on the LB staffs part
+9
hesh
worst part is i'm still sat here trying to explain to some BUYERS on here that weed for £37.50 a year ago like on other markets is still £37.50 today

the next person that tries to gaslight me on inflation i swear to god.. just can't help some people
+1
Herkinmerkin
FOR

Yea this is super frustrating. Why is this even a thing?
+1
tnicho
For
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