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ted
by  ted
Can someone tell me why Americans think guns are the definition of freedom?
Americans are happy to devote decades of their lives to supporting an overseas war machine as they gobble up jingoistic bullshit in their media.

They are taxed and regulated as mush as socialist countries but get little benefits in return, all the while being spied on to a standard that would make the Gestapo proud.

They are fine with all of this damage to their liberty as long as they keep their guns, is this just some kind of penis fixation?
mac1845427
I don't expect many to understand, and it's not something you can relate to unless you've walked a similar path,but... during my traveling work days, I experienced more than once the need to carry a firearm.
permitted to carry concealed, allowed me the chance to go back home and see my family again.
you are entitled free speech and your freedom of views, just remember, the crime or bad folks don't follow ANY rules and could care less about your politics. take away the good man's right to protect himself, and become their next target, as security is just a word.
(understand that police have NO obigation to protect you or your family, they strictly uphold the law...)
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bayou
very honest explanation, i disagree with extra respect.
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Bigbum
You make a fine point but the statistics don’t lie. A developed country shouldn’t be 4th on a list with these others.

Top 10 Countries with the Highest Murder Rates (per 100k people) in 2017:*

El Salvador (61.7)
Honduras (41.0)
Venezuela (49.9)
United States Virgin Islands (49.3 [2012 data])
Jamaica (56.4)
Lesotho (43.6 [[2016 data]] per 100k people)
Belize (37.8)
Saint Vincent And The Grenadines (36.5 [2016 data])
Saint Kitts And Nevis (36.1 [2012 data])
South Africa (35.7)
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generation last
no biggz, that's the virgin islands, an unincorporated territory of a few hundred meters.
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Bigbum
Yes I was too hasty with that;) thanks
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generation last
still kinda weird its a murder capital
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Camber
USA are #64 in World rankings for intentional homicides/100k people
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Gazzamius
damn straight.
Blegg
Because freedom is only delivered through the end of a gun (unfortunately)

And if you don’t have a gun someone with a gun will take your freedom away

The only part of history you can guarantee is true freedom comes at the end of a sword/gun
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Noxa88
This is it, no tyrannical regime, dictator, kings or queens taking the piss were ever overthrown through mediation and peaceful actions, fire meets fire literally.
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generation last
i don't think the american colonies outgunned england and i'm sure that's not how it went down in india or in the 1990s in eastern europe.

freedom is obtained through will and persistence like a lot of things around this earth.
cegodsey
I'll go with the penis fixation. I don't own a gun - don't want one - guns are for killing. It's the second amendment in the American Bible, er, "Bill of Rights". Funny thing is that the pro-life people are usually pro-gun. Just doesn't make sense.
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Gazzamius
Guns do not kill... the person using it KILLS... I use them to kill clay pigeons. and just imagine it's someone i hate. lol ;)
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yourbestinterest
I wish the Bill of Rights was viewed as a bible around here.
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benji
I simply don't understand how a bunch of dead white men "grant" me my rights.
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mastershake
Would it help if they were live black women?
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5th time recht
I'd prefer a struggling algorithm :)
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young mula
Tremendously.
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RNCIN2012
I am not black but I am a 6'5' 300+ pound white mail. when I get out of my car I have yet seen my public servent have his on his gun when he see's me. I have never been shot , but I have been scared you never know when They might get scared and shoot. I am always as helpful and curtice I can makke cause I want to live and pissing of armed cops is not a healthy way to live. When they start treating you like shit , remember it will you a lot more then it will him.
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babybaby
Not saying you're fat but it's interesting that fat white dudes are credible rappers and also eyed by the police like black dudes.
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Camber
They didn’t. Our rights are God given and they are inalienable. The Bill of Rights protects them, or at least that’s how it’s supposed to work.
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FlowerPower1
I’m not trying to start something here but I really want to understand how these rights are God given. Can you explain?
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Camber
That’s ok. We are born free and we are born with certain God given rights, which are inalienable. This is just the way it is, like having a right to clean drinking water. We have the right to protect ourselves and our property. In the UK we still have the right to bear arms, but it has been hidden from us using legislation and obfuscation. Most people don’t understand that they are supposed to be free, so they put up with buffoons and paedo Freemasons dictating what they can and can’t do. This is one of the reasons why we pay income tax, which is unlawful but not illegal. The law is simple: No loss, no harm, no injury, no fraud.
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FlowerPower1
Thanks for the response Camber I appreciate it but I’m still struggling with the God given bit. It’s not as if Moses came down from the mountain with a commandment saying Americans can have AR15s. I don’t mean to sound flippant I just don’t understand it
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Camber
I edited my reply to you and it seems to have moved it from the thread, or did it?
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Camber
That’s ok, you’re not coming across as flippant.
“God given” is simply a term. It applies to atheists as well. Try to understand what it means to be born a free man. Eg: Monetisation of another man’s labour, without his consent, is slavery and it is unlawful. So why do we pay income tax? Did you consent to this?
The Founding Fathers were Christians, hence ‘God given’ Replace ‘God given’ with ‘pre-existing’
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coldspurs
It was a rural place and hunting was very common. If you start from that perspective and then think of the government coming in and taking the guns away you start to understand.
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Mystic11
I could be wrong but I’m sure the law to carry guns came into action as to kill Indians as white man was expanding in America.?
greencigar
It might be useful to differentiate the American people and American foreign policy. It seems you have conflated the two, whereas looking at the American people and domestic policy might yield better results. Guns are completely illegal in China and as we all know, China is one of the most liberated places to live on the planet! The second amendment in the US was created to provide a constitutional check on congressional power was as an auxiliary right, supporting the natural rights of self-defense and resistance to oppression. My family live in the USA and right now, gun ownership is anything from a penis fixation, it's security and peace of mind. I would rather get shot than stabbed any day of the week. Knife crime is equally as concerning in my book.
Gazzamius
Yes... China is that liberated.... they even give away their viruses for free.
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greencigar
I'm hoping that you picked up the sarcasm in my 'China is liberated' comment. Reading it back, it doesn't come across too clearly.
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Gazzamius
hear ya my friend. thought i was doing the same ;) with your comment. i read it both ways (with/without sarcasm) I wouldn't criticise either. just own my private thoughts lol. stay as safe as this "Pandemic" will let you. Gaz
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oasis
ok what day is good for you
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greencigar
Fridays are cool with me :)
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oasis
sorry Fridays I'm in love would you accept a heart atttack on say Wednesday or Thursday
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greencigar
Hernia Mondays?
mrspock89
I think this sums it all up
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lettuceman
penis fixation/fear of loosing penis/fear of death
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Noxa88
Not being American but my take on it is simply history, god made men Samuel Colt made all men equal… You can hunt so can provide for yourself and your family, you can defend yourself and your family from threats, and I guess Homer said it best with ‘If You Don't Have A Gun, The King Of England Can Just Walk In Here And Shove You Around’ And for Americans it was true, it’s the reason they were free, the gun. I think the vast majority of people would agree if there were NO guns then the world would be a better place, BUT if bad guys, police, army have guns and you don’t then you’re simply powerless to anyones will. So if they have guns yeah I also want a gun.
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Dornochdaftie.
WHEN WILL WOMEN IN YOUR COUNTY GET THE SAME RIGHTS AS GUNS.
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Construct
They need their guns lots of wild animals running about on two legs out their nuts on prescription drugs with guns.
Vicious circle where the usual suspects make lots of cash from social chaos and scaring the population.
Man you would think we would be over all this crap by now smh
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Bigbum
It’s a national identity! They feel they wouldn’t be Americans without the ability to kill somebody instantly.
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pollypuff20
1. The Wild West is recent history in a young nation and was really really wild. Ditto the Civil War.
2. Hollywood is real. The good guy always shoots the bad guy. (With armed private citizens this is hardly ever the outcome, but who cares about reality?)
3. A lot of yanks are cunts?
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RNCIN2012
They won't let control guns but they want to stop abortions Ain't we dumb
can the USA be fixed?
Uncle Ho
by  Uncle Ho
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theStrokes
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Why Young Americans Are Having Less Sex
American's Need a License to Use Mathematics
cschoooli
by  cschoooli
As a black person should I avoid visiting the US?
The year after 9/11 1,500 Americans died on the road to avoid the fate of the 246 passengers killed.
ike
by  ike
California Town Declares Itself a ‘Constitutional Republic'
wells
by  wells
The Second War on Terror
37% of Americans Want To Secede
How To Control Guns
de tok
by  de tok
Whatever happened to apathy?
The Forefather of The NSA (economist)
Fear is America's best selling product
vbitter
by  vbitter
America Even Has Black Ops Forrest Rangers
foster
by  foster
Preventing Medical Tyranny - What the US Constitution Almost Achieved
The activist dismantling racist police algorithms
Ronald Reagan's Prophecy
Tenpester
by  Tenpester
What is American Freedom?
ted
by  ted
Calexit?
zz87
by  zz87
Keep an eye on Minneapolis!
samCHED
by  samCHED
Why is it so hard to forgive others?