Just a final note to all, I’m sick to the back teeth of this stupid argument. Won’t being reading anymore or posting anymore about it. Just saying Pablo is a top vendor who has some great organic weed at a great price and I’m sure he doesn’t need this headache. If you don’t want the baccy don’t buy it.

Just adding my view on this as eggsta said if you don't want to buy it then don't.. I mean ye tobacco not good for you but I mean it's legal and really not that big of a deal.. If people want to smoke then let them, I'm sure there are people that look down on every one that smokes weed and thinks you should stop are you gonna? Probably not. Is it really any different?

Go ahead and kill yourself or be greedy and make money off it. Just don't do it here.

No idea what your problem is? It’s baccy kill yourself or be greedy? I choose neither, if someone wants to buy it cheaper then the shop then they can

Do no harm - says when you register here
Harmful as fuck - says it right on the cigarette box

This is the packaging from a cannabis product I bought recently.

Sorry but it’s the only argument. If the whole reason for nominating it for termination is because it’s harmful, then unless you want to delude yourself, you must admit that the main product for sale on this site also has the potential for harm.

I wouldn’t want cannabis banned for sale on that basis. I just want to live and let live, and dearly wish others would too.

Let's follow this logic though (and it is logical) everything has the potential to be used harmfully, even oxygen and water. Everything has the potential to be used harmlessly heroin, pcp, and crack are all safe if used carefully.

I think "do no harm" is a great rule but it requires determination and judgment and that's what this voting is for. It will always be a judgment and unlike IRL it isnt enforced by violence or kidnapping, it's just a matter of inclusion and exclusion. even then it's not so harsh, little biggy is a monopoly on nothing and impedes no one.

There are a LOT of folks with cancer here, people that discovered cannabis as a treatment for the tobacco that is killing them. To me that's why it just doesn't fit in here.

Conflating cannabis with tobacco is a ridiculous fallacy and really unworthy of this community on several levels.

That said at least you are presenting some evidence in an otherwise emotional argument and that IS worthy :)

No it says smoking is harmful, any hot vapour in your lung isn’t natural? But yer you see what you want

Yeah I’m gonna agree with you there Laughing Grass, only just saw this topic and yeah I understand the backlash of selling tobacco on LB, but pretty much everyone who I know that smokes weed smokes with baccy, especially in the UK. I personally don’t think it should be taken down like Pablo said it’s not fucking crack or hard drugs it’s tobacco, if the corner shop can sell it why can’t Pablo? I mean if you wanna buy it then go ahead, but you shouldn’t try and stop a seller from selling tobacco. He’s got a good rep and it’s tobacco not hard drugs like the other things I’ve seen on LB recently like fucking coke or ecstasy. If you wanna buy it that’s your choice, but like I said earlier Pablo is selling his goods here alongside his weed and they both mix together perfectly. No-one’s forcing anyone to buy it so I say let it stay.

It's simply because we are better than this.

Thank you, good community comment much appreciated

If you don’t want to smoke it then don’t, but to actually nominate it for termination is ridiculous nanny state type shit. Pathetic motion in my opinion considering the harms of cannabis are not fully known, but hey that’s your choice to take it isn’t it.

The nanny state is what's going to take care of your cancered ass after you burden it. Keep it weedy and stay alive.

No that would be the national health service, a service paid for through the taxpayer, one of those being me. I suppose you live in a sterile environment, not having children, not using any educational/social services or carrying out any action with the potential of creating a cost for the taxpayer. You know it’s highly probable that someone won’t agree with everything you do. Not defending smoking, but that’s not what this is about. People who want to try and win this argument have spun it into an argument over whether smoking is good or bad rather than it being a question of freedom of choice, however, id refer everyone to the main topic question. It doesn’t ask is smoking good or bad does it.

Dude just go to the corner shop

That’s almost £25 in the corner shop, is less then half price

that excess profit goes towards paying victims cancer bills, whatchu kicking in son?

Can everyone vote this nomination down please? It’s baccy not crack jesus

Exactly, there’s people in here selling ecstasy ffs

Where?

Crack Jesus - now theres a name

Made me giggle

There is a lot of fun shit that's less harmful than tobacco Id like to see that here and this gone. No disrespect to Pablo!

You shouldnt even be asking bot. NICOTINE = HARM LEARN!

Nicotine is not anymore harmful than coffee if you actually read real facts, it also has many benefits just google benefits of nicotine, TAR KILLS you not nicotine, 30mins at the BBQ gives you more carcinagines than 2weeks passive smoking. Candle smoke is more dangerous than cigarette smoke. How do you think most people roll joints in uk, with tobacco. wish I could afford to smoke pure green but until price of weed drops it ain’t gonna happen so this is a useful item.

Just to clarify I said nicotine, nicotine also helps prevent Parkinson’s disease, and helps symptoms of ibd and ibs. NICOTINE not smoking

Real facts? You sound like one of the tobacco adverts from the 1950's. I really think you would benefit from researching tobacco harm. Tobacco contains over 600 ingredients, which when burnt can release over 7000 chemicals. So tar and nicotine are only a very small piece of the picture.

It is one of the most extensively studied substances and is widely accepted as one of the most harmful. If you would like, I can cite you literally thousands of studies proving beyond any doubt that tobacco is extremely harmful.

Yes, people do use it; but that doesn't mean it needs to be sold on here. We should be setting an example with LB that the cannabis community is a caring and responsible one and is all about harm prevention.

Wow back it off buddy, I replied to a comment that said nicotine=harm, which in my researched(I used to work in a tobacco factory) opionion is bullshit. Yes SMOKING causes harm death and lists of other nasty nasty things but it’s not the nicotine that does it. I agree smoking is real bad for you but realistically most people I know who smoke weed smoke tobacco, and to pay £25 to a shop with most of it tax that the government is gonna blow out there ass then I would rather give pablo my coins.

Not saying I’m an expert but maybe a little more informed than say someone who didn’t work in a tobacco factory. A tobacco factory is somewhere where tobacco is processed for production of cigarettes. The tobacco is first bleached of as nicotine and the nicotine you actually smoke is produced in a lab so it’s dosage can be accurately controlled. The nicotine you smoke in cigs is actually a freebase nicotine which is purée and far more additive than the natural nicotine in tobacco leaves. AND AFAIN I DID NOT SAY IT WASNT HARMFULL, just a lot more common stuff is equally harmful if not more, and I’m sick of self righteous non smokers who think they are better than smokers just is they don’t partake. And if you want I’ll show you studies to show NICOTINE can help prevent Parkinson’s disease, IBS and others,

Word. I don't know what's more depressing, seeing the cigarettes or seeing lies on behalf of cigarettes.

That’s not true at all, 600 ingredients producing 7000 chemicals? Show me where that is from?

Nicotine is associated with cardiovascular disease, possible birth defects, and poisoning. In vitro studies of nicotine have associated it with cancer. Step up and buy some more weed bigga its cheaper than a funeral.

Lie about smoking? Can you cite one major study that has concluded tobacco isn't extremely harmful? I actually think I've lost some brain cells reading your posts.

Well the fact is they used a picture of a gunshot victim and used it to depict a person who lost their leg smoking.FACT. Now in my eyes and most rational people that is a lie, yes/no. You keep jumping the gun pal, smoking is harmful but if you read ALL the facts studies you will see that nothing I have said in any of my comments is wrong. You keep putting words in my mouth as if I’m promoting smoking, I’m not, I’m promoting rational thinking. As I said I worked in a tobacco company JTI.

Yeah I've seen some real deaths so it really doesn't matter if you are lying or the package is does it mate?

Word it's on the package ffs

Die

Thats what she said. The cigarrete that is.

Does any other lb seller offer non English options?

We do speak Dutch since we are from The Netherlands.

If you mean do we ship to other countries? Yes we ship worldwide! (with exception to USA/AUS/ITA)

Hope to have answered your question!
-Wakiki

Is this a joke or a scam?

Let's hope no one used this link, Trade Route exit scammed with many millions in user's money.

Note to anyone reading this: traderoute has since exit scammed.

There are over 1,000 "fraud" items on your commission referral link here. Please consider that you are not only introducing people to a world of harm but profiting from it. This is a shame since you seem to also be adding some quality content to little biggy.

Stop speed and quit your bullshit from littlebiggy please.
This is no place for that.

How the hell does your opinion not matter if you are endorsing the market?

Some decent points you make if not for the conflation of drug intake freedom and stolen credit cards.

Conflation?

The agorist society to which we are evolving through technology self regulates through various services provided by the market that tackle this fraud. And there are various: white hat hackers, grey hat hackers, the anonymous collective ... that already do. Pedophile content, hate, terror, racism, corruption is hunted and has been countered.

I'm guesstimating but maybe the overall perception on the fractional banking system is that low, that no real services sprout. So for now it would appear that the market does not see it as high priority issue.

Don't shoot the messenger :-)

Homey you are a promoter of a haven for fraud here, not an innocent messenger. Self-regulation starts with your own self. Then it's up to the folks calling you out here and that seems to be working.

tldr: i got 95 theses and a bitch ain't one
or something like that

As always, the real story is a bit more complex then what e.g.. DeepDotWeb makes out of it. The problem is that a lot of people, even tech journalists, don't have the technical knowledge nor do they know the culture on the darknet, let alone stand the actors.

I have been following and using some dark net services, even before the first SilkRoad. I'm a data cruncher that uses the web as my test lab, using information sources which are publicly accessible. I have a bunch data scraping tools, that basically visit all these sources and that stores the data I want. A whole bunch of data is a dataset.

Datasets are fun. Especially when combined and using existent or self invented algorithms. I'm not going to explain in detail, there are whole books on this.


So the TradeRoute. TR started as a relatively small black market that seriously expanded when Alphabay got shut down. Alphabay, as we all know has been shut down. The owner committed suicide in Thailand. Prior to the shutdown, Dutch police had already taken over Hansa Market which was where most Alphabay vendors and customers went. Hansa was a giant flytrap for anyone that did not go 100% in Opsec.

Next in line was Dream Market, although it had a substantial amount of users, the market and forum was a paradise for scammers. And it wasn't really the best user interface. The continuous rumours that it had been infiltrated by LEO did not help much either.

So TR, which had a decent UI and management of site and forums, dethroned Dream quickly. The TR admins were not exactly the best when it came to security. But they did have a bug bounty program. Somewhere in May, this year, a known blackhat, of which the name I can't disclose, did a full security audit of their stuff. That audit unearthed a bunch of exploits, that were not that critical but which needed to be fixed. Some fixes required adding certain components and reconfiguration of existing software. So the TR infrastructure needed downtime to deploy these.

For some reason they stopped at 70% or something. The things that needed downtime were never implemented because the market was growing too fast and there was literally not a second in 24 hours where they didn't have thousands of users online. When they finally took the decision to bring the market down for maintenance. Team DDOS struck the dark net. And there is no fix for that DDOS. It's a design flaw in Tor, it's shit easy to DDOS a .onion website if you know the

"What is the best Darknet shop which is not prone to exit scams?"
dejos: "TradeRoute!"

Maybe you haven't done research long enough homey or maybe just don't understand what humility could do for you. Either way you have a lot to learn here.

It's The US so theres gotta be a money angle on killing these folks.

Thus the way to fix this is to make a fear based business out of the technical solution. So if it's say "AI diagnosis to complement your Doctor's opinion" this will catch on and save lives.

Yes if the doctors can sell it and big pharma markets the AI to the doctors.

Or we can just do it right.

"Mrs President during the last administration over 2 million innocent Americans died from a government controlled system that profits the largest political patrons in the country what are you going to do about it?"
"Next Question"
"Some guy in a turban ..."

How many more will be killed by the Brexit decision than losing the "dangerous immigrants"?

jo cox would be the first

I dont understand your point mate

I was just thinking that if we ignored terrorism but had generous compassion for the victims we'd save a ton of money and take a lot more piss out of the bad guys than we can with the military.

Depends what you mean by compassion if you paid out the victims crazy dough then some beneficiarie$ might get into the game.

Le Monde is no longer publishing photos of terrorists

I totally disagree. AI is the continuation of the same pyramid model of which history has proven that it's bound to fail. The resources needed are of a scale that requires heavy (and never ending) financial investments. The food eaten by AI is data. The provider: humanity.

The larger the scale of data one can feed, the better the AI (and it's owners) can fingerprint, the more refined it's targeting.

Let's take an example of "AI" that we all know:

Software Antivirus:

Supposed to be the guardian that protects an operating system against 'threats' and 'threat actors using a variety of techniques to identify them. Pattern based detection, behavioural analysis and heuristics (an expensive word for: 'guesstimating' or an 'educated' guess). Your antivirus is part of a swarm that provides the antivirus vendor with data on new threats and their geographic impact.

However:

The data you provide is 'free', there is no reward or any form of renumeration for the infrastructure that you provided. A computer is not free, internet is not free, the power needed is also not free and although there are free AV solutions, most demand a subscription fee.

In return you get a product and service which does not provide any guarantees that it will adequately protect you against 'threats'.

In reality AV is becoming a relic.

Human intelligence has outsmarted AV and found ways to circumvent it using the 'Trojan horse' approach or by simple social engineering.

As there was no incentive to find or report security vulnerabilities, the data needed to feed pattern/behavioural dried up.

Heuristics is gambling with historical data, if that data is worthless so are heuristics.

And so is any form of AI hence all media and marketing efforts to portray it as the next best evolution. The driver: more profit less people.

The touted theories about a minimal wage without having to work for it are a continuation of AI Utopia. It would make people dependent on their nations through a socialist measure.

That spells national socialism and fascism.

Think twice before you give out data for free in exchange for a freemium service.

data,the new oil. put it in an old ford and it leak evertwhere.

If you just think as an individual what would it be like if you had a bot to do all of your work that sounds great. You'd fuck around a lot but eventually wind up doing something that meant something to you. Now imagine everyone doing that.

I have a tracking number from my seller can I just use the USPS site without worrying?

Use a vpn for this (not tor). Otherwise there is ip address evidence that you knew about this package. That's the difference between plausible deniability and a solid case.

I'm curious, why not Tor? I use Tor to shop on LB, is it not safe?

Totally safe for LB but the usps tracking site looks for tor users as a 1st cut at what's interesting, it's actually been sited in case material.

Oh I see...thanks for reassurance. I prefer receiving packages without tracking... I had a little short of dozen orders on LB in the last year, and I didn't receive only one of them so I think it is a good stats overall.

Yeah post office tracking is wildly inaccurate, I''ve got packages that appear in limbo and also not :)

80s man to smooth to move

Bandersnatch turned me on to the 80s, some of this shit sounds like it came out today.

90's without a doubt.
?OldSkool?

1995 to 2005, #house #techno #trance #hardtrance #goa #psy ... music literally came and conquered Europe with the German Love Parade as annual {pilgrimage} where millions of likeminded people gathered, partied or about whatever one can imagine for {Love}, {Freedom} ,{Liberty} and {Peace}.

90's hiphop. All about the groove

80s! Birth of music video and electronic that sounds great today.

whoah i didnt know there was a video to this, thank you!

I'll go with 80s for California Punk

I didn't think the 80s would be a very popular answer coz of all the Gods awful pop that came out at the time. But in My mind you cant beat some good classic 80's Metal

Harsh Man! 1 Dumb mistake dose not maketh a band.

70s!

70s jah people!

You 70s folks have a Damn good argument!

Oh yeah sista

90s for sure: Golden age of Gangsta Rap

Word to the streets

Nice, right decade and right town

Seattle is the the town

Ill second that notion with 90s britpop.

If the US is such a horrible place to live then leave. You should fit in perfectly in Europe. Lots and lots of liberals just like you. I should know since l’ve been twice. It’s also where l plan on moving to in short order. l will be surrounded by people with your political leanings but they’re nicer than most people think. I have a problem with their beliefs, but not as people. I have friends l met there who never bring up the subject of politics.

Stalin already knew about the bomb when Roosevelt told him about the first test. He was expecting Stalin to react when he told him about it. Stalin had spys who told him about it. They had been working on the bomb. The US finally realized this after Russia detonated their first bomb five years ahead of the predictions by the defense department.

They lost more than 1/3 to Stalin’s reign of terror, due mainly to the fact that they had been disarmed. pk2 why don’t you put some effort into getting the facts instead of the liberal trash being spewed by mainstream media. They lost 25 million during WW2 and 40 million to Stalin’s tyranny.

5 million. That's the estimated number of wounded and dead had we gone with a land invasion. The Japanese thought it would happen as well. They were already well into preparing for that invasion. Given how they fought in previous battles in the pacific where few if any enemy personal(military and civilian) were captured alive, it seemed logical to think they would fight that way during an invasion on their own soil. Not invading and dropping the bomb instead saved lives, a lot of them.

You’re not that bright, are you?! You’re the one who brought up Russia. Since when has Russia worried about being invaded? Putin has used it as propaganda on his own people. So, it’s oblivious you haven’t researched anything about Japan and the former Soviet Union.

You’re definitely a liberal. The first thing you did was insult me, just like a petty, obnoxious child. Yes, l live in Georgia and l’m originally from Texas. You’re a bigot, just like your liberal cohorts. Spare me from your bullshit. Good thing you’re most likely living on the west coast. If we were face to face, l would bury you. I’ve never been accused of being a nice guy. I used to be a dealer. I still keep in touch my good friend from South America. If l had a problem he would set everything back to normal. You’re a problem. Don’t be a problem.

5 million casualties was the number presented to Truman by his generals. It’s the reason he authorized the use of the atomic bomb. This is common knowledge. You’re just making a fool of yourself. Next time make sure you have all the facts before you reply to one of my opinions. Better still don’t bother me again. It’s becoming tedious.

It's an important fact that one nuclear bomb was not enough to bring the Japanese to surrender.

Exactly, pk2 must be studying revisionist history, most likely being taught by a feminine hygiene product that has spread across every university campus in the country.

I could give a shit about anyone's opinion on this but I do give a shit about trolling. You have to make your point without this here, we will not let this community degrade this way.

You demand that l adhere to social norms and yet the left has no problem with lying or insulting someone just because they don’t believe what you believe. Grow up. That’s one of the reasons why littlebiggy was created. To share opinions. Most professors are douchbags. 95%+ of them have far left liberal blood. The douchbags declared it themselves. I will continue to state my opinion as l see fit and you can throw your temper tantrum to your hearts content. I won’t be silenced by you or pk2 and the rest of your political correctness. I’m too old to give a shit, but l won’t tell anyone here what they can and cannot say when it comes to their opinions because l will still state mine in any manner l choose.

Yer Russians are as ruthless as any pirate me eyes have ever seen.