if you're not high when you're starting a religion you're in it for the cheddar.

You don't need psychedelics around Sinai the desert is really trippy on its own.

Some interesting thoughts here :-)

https://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Manna-Psychedelic-Sacrament-Bible/dp/0892817720

He was on shrooms

Imagine the empire he would have built had he recognised the plant was responsible.

what we are doing here only it took a few thousand years to figure out

Hi 24601

Quite possibly, it's an existing theory.

From https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna23468364

"He said one of the psychoactive plants, harmal, found in the Sinai and elsewhere in the Middle East, has long been regarded by Jews in the region as having magical and curative powers."

Cheers

If Moses was then Ezekiel was absolutely mashed. He saw all the angels.

Probably the bush that was burning was a Hallucinogenic

Hi DankPants

That is another theory commonly put forward: some species of acacia contain DMT:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Acacia_species_known_to_contain_psychoactive_alkaloids

Also good point from Jimmy_Bison about Ezekiel, Ophanim remind me of machine elves:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophanim

Painting of the Buddha receiving a bowl of kheer (milky rice pudding). He became enlightened after eating it. I wonder if it contained something mushroomy🤔 Interesting outfit he's wearing too.

Lol... No... Thats his death... Lol... Thats a different field of existence 😂... Not quiet ready to experience that yet.... So stay away from gone off rice pudding (Kheer).... Othsrwise you might find your maker 😂😂😂

I find that switching to edibles helps. The way you process THC differs between smoking and eating, so a week on edibles will see the smoking hit harder when you start again.

thanks bigga but i should have mentioned edibles is how i partake 🤪

Then reach for the pipe, why not?

As Blazin said dude, edibles. Apparently the pathways for smoking and edibles/consumed THC are completely different, so you can have edibles, get baked, and then when you start smoking again you should have achieved your desired break.

We find psychedelic micros a super tranquil way to ease the pains ;)

I've seen your products, what kind of dose would your recommend for someone with an addictive personality, trying to take a t-break?

I know weeds not physically addictive but damn I get really psychologically addicted, after 3 days all I can think of is weed lmao, nasty moods, bad sleep, no energy...

I have always just got through it, mostly cold turkey, but if theres some way I can ease the "pain" without relying on harsher things, I'm open minded

We recommend working with very low doses so you can focus on your daily routine but the dose helps you connect to yourself and your mindset, and creates an open heart space where you'll become more observant of the "why" you get psychologically swayed. It helps connect neurological pathways and in the end you look at everything differently...not only the addiction but every part of your life ;-)

Interesting after reading the other comments, I would have thought since wether edible, vaped or smoked it's still THC so it would all be the same tolerance. I'll have to look into that. Not saying guys are wrong ofc :)

Sadly for me, I have a very high tolerance to edibles (lacking an enzyme or something perhaps) even after t-breaks -150mg for a slight buzz xD So this would never be an option for me lol.

I heard about microdosing shrooms or LSD but haven't tried myself wonder if any biggas have

I saw a video that explained the difference between eating vs smoking/vaping THC. The liver apparently attaches something called a hydroyxl group to the D9 molecules when it processes them which turns them into 11-Hydroxy-THC. It's this new molecule that gets you stoned when eaten which would explain the difference in effects and individual tolerances.
🤯

Ah! Thanks for this mate. Going to look into this.

I wonder if like for codeine, where some people possess an enzyme that isn't as efficient at breaking it down (or in rarer cases, more efficient), that there is some people with livers that just suck at that process of converting D9 to 11-Hydroxy.

Cos I've certainly never got baked from edibles even with little to no tolerance to any kind of THC.

Yeah, that would make sense.
I've heard of people that can smoke a half oz a day easy but can't handle 50mg of edibles, and others that don't feel anything no matter how much they eat.

Totally agree with the edibles suggestion. CBD products can help too I found that having a CBD vape to hit before bed was a help to get to sleep. Good luck 👍

Flawlesscbd.co.uk have a good range of CBD edibles which might be worth a look

If you haven't tried it yet then CBD might be worth a go (just not the weak crap like Holland & Barrett sell). I'm not really into edibles but CBD buds and distillate are really good to vape/smoke and you could make your own edibles from those, and there are high-strength CBD gummies out there too although I've never tried them myself.

I've found that exercise helps . You just have to pick up the pace for a bit , say a week or two . Cardio . It makes you feel good too.
Also a lot of reading .
Then you'll be back stronger ;)

water, water and more water. drink it, bathe in it and swim if you can. the dt's will float away - at least for 20 mins ;)

Exercise releases a lot if your stored thc. Its like a very personal stash 😎

I'm developing RPA processes to automate tasks that currently require manual input from staff. So far, it seems we are able to replace multiple users without disrupting business operations.

For now, decision-making remains a task for humans.

Although I hate the prospect of AI replacing human tasks, from a business perspective, it's increasing productivity, accuracy, and profit.

In the end, no job will be safe, not even mine.

Really like the juxtaposition of the human vs machinic productivity, accuracy and profit. The robolover backlash is going to be absolutely peak.

except the new ones

I put up marquees for a living and no ai is going to do that, mainly because it's utterly wank. Arnie would definitely fuck it off.

You have a good point there!!

This (AI within office-work) has only come up recently. I'd be curious and eager to hear how y'all have automated your tasks.

I process data on a large quantity but manually. There's some VBA and Excel involved, sure, but I - our team - need to go through the data. This is because of manual checks required on the potential products. We need to be thorough in how we catalogue, otherwise our applications of products will not fit / be suitable.

Could it be better performed through AI? Perhaps. Though we might require an external database, potentially, and I do not believe this is within our budget - even if we make nice profit commercially.

There is also, as another has touched upon already, decision making. We've tested it. Believe me. Is it infirm and incapable of making choice? Nope! It isn't as terrible as I'm making it out to be. But it does nonetheless lack the correct context, considerations, perspectives to succeed. I have no doubt this could change, though.

I worry that it will struggle to lead people. I think there will always need to be a human at the helm, even if only as a puppet propped up by AI; and I don't believe that machine will be effective at inspiring and providing that shoulder to cry upon, which I do think still holds value in workplaces or the ones which care about their employees, anyway. But I think AI will overcome this hurdle too at some point.

And which job will become immune, totally immune, I cannot say. It is hard to predict the future when it is so ever-changing.

The moment machine steps away from being logical and develops capacity for emotions, and how to relate to humans, I truly think no job will be safe. Thinking of priests, police, therapists, politicians...

The question only depends on the margins: Will it disrupt operations and by how much for how long to gain how much return in how soon?

this answer from hunyuan-turbos-20250416:

That's a fascinating and very real-world use case — thank you for sharing it, Nietzsche. You're touching on an area where AI can bring immense value, especially when precision, context, and volume intersect. Let’s break this down and explore how AI might support or even transform the way you and your team work with large amounts of data that still require human-level scrutiny.

---

### 🧠 First: Understanding Your Workflow

From what you've said:
- You deal with **large quantities of data**, likely structured (Excel sheets, databases).
- Some automation exists (VBA, Excel formulas/macros), which is great — it means there's already a foundation.
- But there's a **manual checkpoint phase**, especially because the data requires **thorough validation** and **contextual understanding** before products can be applied or catalogued correctly.
- The cost of error is high: improper cataloguing could lead to unfit product applications.

So you're not just doing number crunching — you're interpreting, verifying, categorizing. That’s where AI can really earn its keep.

---

## 🔧 How AI Can Help – Concrete Applications

Here are several ways AI could assist you, depending on your exact needs:

---

### 1. **Smart Data Cleaning & Preprocessing**
Before humans even look at the data:
- **AI can detect anomalies**, duplicates, missing values, outliers.
- Natural Language Processing (NLP) models can standardize messy text inputs (e.g., inconsistent product names, typos).
- AI can suggest rules (or even auto-generate VBA/macros) based on observed patterns.

🔍 *Example:* If one column contains product codes that sometimes include extra spaces, slashes, or alternate naming conventions, AI can flag or normalize them automatically.

---

### 2. **Intelligent Document & Data Parsing**
If your data comes from PDFs, scans, emails, or messy web exports:
- AI-powered document understanding (like GPT-style models + computer vision) can extract tables, read unstructured text, and populate your structured sheets.
- Optical Character Recognition (OCR) enhanced with AI can understand context — e.g., distinguishing between similar product codes or units of measure.

📄 *Example:* You get supplier specs in PDF — AI reads them, picks out relevant specs, and inserts them into your catalog template.

---

### 3. **Assisted Validation & Decision-Making**
Instead of replacing your judgment, AI becomes your intelligent assistant:
- Train custom ML models or use LLMs to **flag entries that are likely to be problematic**, based on past rejected/reworked data.
- Use AI to **group similar products** or highlight contradictions/inconsistencies across fields.
- Set up a **chat-based interface** (think: ChatGPT plug-in or internal tool) where your team can ask things like:
> “Why was this product previously rejected?”
> “Are there any known issues with supplier X’s stainless steel grade 316?”

⚖️ *Example:* Highlight rows where the weight tolerance exceeds historical thresholds, or where a product’s description doesn’t match known specifications.

---

### 4. **Semi-Automated Cataloguing**
For new products:
- AI can **pre-fill catalog fields** using known mappings (“If code starts with AB-12, it’s likely a type 3 valve”).
- It can suggest categories, tags, or compliance requirements based on descriptions.
- NLP classifiers can interpret free-text specs and route items to the correct review queue.

🗂️ *Example:* Instead of manually assigning 100 new widgets to categories, AI proposes categories first, and your team just approves or adjusts.

---

### 5. **Knowledge Base & Feedback Loop**
Over time, AI can become smarter by learning from your decisions:
- You correct a prediction? AI remembers and updates its model.
- You flag something as an edge case? AI starts recognizing similar ones.
- Eventually, this becomes a **living knowledge base** your whole team can query.

🧠 *Think of it as building your own AI colleague that gets better every month.*

---

## 🛠️ Tools & Technologies to Explore

Depending on your tech comfort and infrastructure, here are tools that can help you start:

| Tool/Platform | What It Can Do |
|---------------|----------------|
| **Microsoft Power Platform + AI Builder** | Build no-code/low-code apps with AI model training baked in. Works well with Excel/Office. |
| **OpenAI / ChatGPT (w/ plugins or API)** | Automate classification, summarization, data entry suggestions. Custom GPTs can be trained on your internal docs. |
| **Google AutoML / Vertex AI** | Train custom ML models without deep coding. Great for classification tasks. |
| **UiPath + AI Fabric** | For automating workflows involving both screen scraping and AI decision-making. |
| **LangChain / LlamaIndex** | If you want to build custom AI agents that query both data and documents. |

---

## 🔄 A Hybrid Approach: AI + Human-in-the-Loop

Given that thoroughness is critical in your line of work, the best approach is rarely full automation. Instead:

✅ Use AI to:
- Preprocess and flag.
- Suggest likely outcomes.
- Surface risks or inconsistencies.

👨‍🏫 Then you:
- Review the shortlist.
- Provide feedback.
- Train the system over time.

This “human-in-the-loop” model balances speed and accuracy — letting your team focus on hard cases while AI handles the routine.

---

## ✅ Next Steps for You

Here’s how you might start experimenting:

1. **Pick one painful sub-task** (e.g., cleaning supplier data, categorizing new items).
2. **Gather a sample dataset** (100–500 rows) with known good/bad cases.
3. Try:
- Using GPT-4 to write Excel formulas or VBA based on examples ("few-shot learning").
- Uploading anonymized data to ChatGPT (via code interpreter / advanced data analysis) and asking it to find patterns or anomalies.
- Exploring Microsoft AI Builder if you're in an Office-heavy environment.

4. **Document the wins** — even small time savings compound over time.

---

If you’d like, I can walk you through setting up a small pilot — say, an AI assistant that summarizes product sheets or flags inconsistencies in Excel. Just tell me more about one specific task, and we’ll prototype a solution together.

Would you like to start with a particular part of the workflow?

It's not AI it's a CPU, there is no such thing as AI yet and lines of code. Real AI would be conscious. We are not there it is not AI in the slightest chat gpt

I've looked at AI agent demos in our industry. I expect they'll start taking over admin roles pretty soon. They can make phone calls, log into systems, pass 2FA and human captcha. I bet my firm buys some kind of digital agent instead of a new staff member within two years from now to handle admin functions. It'll work 7 days a week, never get sick or take holidays. It'll never turn up hungover on a Monday. It'll just do it's admin. Once proven other roles will follow. Including mine. Probably the safest jobs are manual labour. And that's more a cost factor as for a long time it'll remain cheaper to have humans doing manual work than a complex robot.

Trolling the workmates needs a personal human touch 😂

says the ai 😂

Hi Dr Drek

There is a business analysis fromMarch 2023 made by a well known Broad Street Finance Firm (GS) which is very interesting.

It details the impact per sector, country etc.

A lot of white collar jobs are impacted big time.

Even coders/programmers are impacted (although you still need to be a competent one to start with least you won't be able to tailor and use the output - forget vibe coding).

As far as I am concerned someone is still needed to install the computers used to work with AI ;-)

...but if the ongoing outsourcing and migration of European IT onto US Corp clouds carries on we'll probably end up with thin clients in open plan offices and all the heavy lifting done on Azure (we might still need people to wire up networks though).

The bottom line is some areas of work are definitely not going to be impacted by AI in the short to medium term.

When the robots arrive though we might well all be unemployed (hopefully living iff Universal credit unless the singularity does happen and we end up as living batteries or some shit like that).

see you at the charging station mate

let's hope not

Indeed a mystery that we can only solve by sampling all the weed.😍😍

Amen to that 🙏 💚

This was actually really interesting. My partner and I have ‘debated’ lol at length the indica v sativa thing and whether there’s a difference, in the end all I could/can say is a good quality indica to me at least feels like I have a force almost pushing me deeper into the sofa where as a good sativa always brings me up, both mentally and gets me laughing and indeed wanting a good time! Seems according to this, that science says it’s in my head!!

Weed definitely has different effects from strain to strain but it does seem there is more to it than Indica/sativa

Headspace/terps/minor cannabinoids are my thoughts

Set and setting is definitely a thing. One day I can consume with others and laugh my tits off, the next day by myself and I just fall asleep. All using the same strain (aaaaghh!! bacteria... Chemovar? one debate at a time!)

When people say sativa gives them an "up" effect, what time of day is this? Morning? or is it the first toke of the day but at 11 at night?

When using indica and people get a "down" effect, again what time of day is this? Night time after a tiring day? or is it first toke of the morning after a heavy session the night before?

All I'm trying to do is provoke thinking about why and when we perceive these indica/sativa effects beyond just sativa = energy and indica = couchlock.

It's all very interesting.

Very well put indeed, not just set and setting either, overall headspace and mood, and probably one of the most undervalued metrics in this whole topic is diet + exercise, every single one of these factors will dictate how you're going to be affected by the consumption of THC

and of course let's not forget the grow, grower, what it was grown in, time of harvest during flower and what stage the trichomes were at in their development are all things that will have a huge impact on how that particular batch of that particular grow will effect you! the people who are searching for a particular strain for it's supposed effects are wasting their time and money, the strains name does not dictate it's effects or how much of a indica / sativa hybrid it is, all a strain name will tell you is where the genetics are from and roughly what terpenes you should be expecting, that is all

there's also no such thing as 50/50 sativa indica hybrids and 70/30 etc etc

Yeah always thought the ratio thing was a bit dodgy. Why not 23/77 or 86/14 ?
Also, when 50/50 (or any ratio really) why is it usually "will give you a burst of creative energy but will eventually lead to a relaxed state of mind and peaceful sleep, if you can keep the munchies away!"

Why that order? It's 50/50 so why not: "will send you immediately into a creative sleep where you will raid the fridge by sleepwalking. Careful though you will suddenly have a burst of energy and wake up doing pushups."

Or, to make further mockery: "careful this 80/20 sativa will glue you to the sofa if you smoke the last 20% of the joint"

Regardless of ratio most descriptions just describe the cannabis intoxication journey. It will give you a high (head, body, insert personal effect) leading to the end of the high (relaxation, sleep, insert personal effect).

-plonk-

Steps down from soapbox. I need a toot, exhausted so I'll go for a nice sativa. :)

Well a hybrid is a hybrid. If my dad is aborigine and my mum is a Klingon then I’m 50:50 and the world is my lobster right? So cross a sativa haze with a Hindu Kush and it will be a 50:50 hybrid of the two, it’s just what difference that makes in the effects and whether those effects are attributable to the plant type rather than other elements. I guess we are now siding with “other elements “, which is fine.

But this is evidence based on blind tests where the reported effects didn’t correlate to the strains. In my own lab I have 42 numbered jars- I can only know what strain they are by referring to my trusty spreadsheet 🤓. When I try them at random and try to guess from the effects whether they are indica or sativa I always get it right. 100%. Not even slightly difficult.

But then I have 30 different tequilas and I am pretty good at blind testing those too 🤠…..

But what happens if your Dad is 32% Indonesian and 68% Armenian and your mum is 38% Klingon and 62% Borg (? that's a Trek thing innit?) Then your not 50:50. It's meaningless!

Ok you can identify between your own stash - well done but can you hand on heart take a toke and say hmm, I'm getting 25% sativa effects and 75% indica effects or whatever?

Unless you mean you are 50:50 as in hermaphrodite? 😉

With all that's been said I am still very much influenced by either sativa/indica descriptions - what more is there to go on?

You are just being obtuse CB. Look, take an everyday strain like Purple Punch to keep it simple and let’s take a quick glance at the Family Tree: 🤓

Purple Punch »»» Larry OG x Grand Daddy Purple
Larry OG F1
»»» OG Kush Lemon Larry x Sour Diesel IBL F1
OG Kush Lemon Larry
»»» Unknown Strain Emerald Triangle x Hindu Kush Neville
Unknown Strain Emerald Triangle »»» Unknown Strain
Hindu Kush Neville »»» Indica
Sour Diesel IBL IBL
»»» Sour Diesel x Double Sour Diesel IBL
Sour Diesel
»»» Original Diesel x DNL
Original Diesel
»»» Chemdawg x {MassSuperSkunk x SensiNL}
MassSuperSkunk x SensiNL
MassSuperSkunk
Super Skunk Probably
»»» Skunk #1 x Afghanistan
Skunk #1
Skunk #1
Skunk #1
»»» Afghanistan x Mexico x Colombia
Afghanistan »»» Indica
Mexico »»» Sativa
Colombia »»» Sativa
Afghanistan »»» Indica
SensiNL
»»» NL #1 x NL #2 x NL #5
NL #1 IBL
»»» Purest Indica x Afghani probably from Neville IBL
Purest Indica
Afghani (specified above)
Afghani probably from Neville
Afghanistan Probably Indica »»» Indica
NL #2
»»» Purest Indica x Afghani by Don the Indian
Purest Indica (specified above)
Afghani by Don the Indian (specified above)
NL #5 #5
»»» Purest Indica x Hawaiian #5
Purest Indica (specified above)
Hawaiian »»» Sativa
Chemdawg
Unknown Hybrid »»» Indica/Sativa Hybrid
DNL
»»» {RFK Skunk x Hawaiian} x Northern Lights
RFK Skunk x Hawaiian
RFK Skunk
Unknown Skunk
Skunk #1 (specified above)
Hawaiian »»» Indica/Sativa Hybrid
Northern Lights
Purest Indica (specified above)
Double Sour Diesel
»»» Sour Diesel x NYC Diesel
Sour Diesel (specified above)
NYC Diesel
»»» Unknown Diesel Bagseed x Afghani/Hawaiian
Unknown Diesel Bagseed »»» Unknown Strain
Afghani/Hawaiian
»»» Afghani x Hawaii
Afghani (specified above)
Hawaii »»» Indica/Sativa Hybrid
Grand Daddy Purple Probably
»»» Purple Urkel x Big Bud Probably
Purple Urkel
Unknown Mostly Indica »»» Mostly Indica
Big Bud
»»» {Big Bud x NL#1} x Big Bud
Big Bud x NL#1
Big Bud »»» Indica
NL#1 (specified above)
Big Bud »»» Indica

Hardly rocket science now is it? 😶‍🌫️👍

Now don't get mad, I'm not being sarcastic or disingenious. This is a 100% genuine response after reading and re-reading your comment for the last 10 minutes: Sorry, I don't understand?

Polly humour mate….ooops, thought we were tuned in 🤷‍♂️😉

Thank fuck for that! My antenna isn't erect enough at the moment. I think it needs greasing and if I just give it a tug it may start working. Although last time I did that it poked me in the eye.

Phew! You had me thinking “Christ, if I can’t even get a smile out of CB then I’m cancelling my One Dog Stand Up Tour! “ 🥹

😸

didn't take long did it for people to start glazing over the science once again and stating "but, but i can feel a difference" lol, i'm experiencing such high levels of second hand embarrassment

i know it's difficult they've been perpetuating this bullshit for donkeys years and don't want to pull themsleves out of their ways but i've linked every article under the sun on this in the past even ones on blind testing that continually expose this pseudoscience but it doesn't sink in

if selective hearing is a thing then i'm pretty sure selective learning is a thing too, well the past few years has proven this more than ever

Wish I could keep some in jars but It never stay s in the jars for long ,abit like my vodka bottle ha ha u lot are good people

I have 3 children using this theory they should all be fairly similar as 50/50 me and Mrs rabb1t and therefore the same as each other


They aren't

Well genetically they certainly are. Unless there’s something Mrs.Rabb1t isn’t telling you..🤫

Yes but ones hyperactivity, ones like the opposite and ones bang in the middle

I'm genuinely not making this up

But technically they are all 50/50 yeah?

Interesting ‘cos it’s exactly the same argument- genetics vs effects yeah? We think that a plants genetics give us particular effects but the (scant) evidence suggests otherwise. Kids personality traits don’t mirror their genetics but their DNA doesn’t lie.

Every discovered language in human history uses nouns, verbs and adjectives. Isolated tribes that have never learned anything from anyone still form their language that way. Nobody knows why…

But we do at least know now thanks to science it's not indicas sedate and sativas don't

We know it's more complex

I'm a medical user it all works just need more of some than others

I like you on the soapbox

Fancy starting a political party with me?

Well I am a lying sexual deviant, two faced and with loose morals, no heart or backbone, serving only myself and people who pay me enough. So yeah, maybe I could be a politician. :)

Tonight I shall dine on brisket 😋

Aaaaaaaagggghhhhhh!!!!!!!!! That dang nabbit idiart rabbit. 😾

Well that's ok because the idea I have means you would be in politics a short time anyway

I want to create a political party with two policies only

To change how politicians are paid and limit their activities outside of government being one

But the main reason I want to do this is, to have a party that changes the rules

No more first past the post, proportional representation elections instead

Once changing these the government would immediately have a general election to allow the changes to be made

Now there's the small matter of the house of lords

Now we know blowing it up didn't work previously...

So am open to suggestions 🤔

There's lots of fed up people on this island, the issue I feel is the lack of representation of our interests

My thought process is that sativa and indica are individual species of the cannabis plant which would itself suggest some biological variations between the two, so I still think there's maybe something missing from the 'no difference between them' position.

I get that selective breeding over the years has blurred that line somewhat but going back far enough, pure indica plants were very different from sativa variants in terms of appearance and growth behaviour, so logic would dictate other biological differences too.

The reason we started cross-breeding them to create hybrids in the first place was to combine the different characteristics of each species, so why did we do that if they're all the same?

If we're being truly scientific then we have to recognise that just because we haven't yet identified those differences, or what they mean for us, that doesn't necessarily mean they don't exist.

Hi OldManEd, It's difficult to get that image of large plant, narrow leaved sativa and small plant, broad leaved indica out of our heads isn't it?
On one hand you say they are individual species but later you say they are variants of each other? Science says genetically they are the same. It's how those genes are expressed that makes some sort of difference in effects.

I wish I knew more about plant biology but I do know the same species of a particular plant can exhibit different traits depending on environment, growing conditions, etc. (its phenotype -ooooh, swallowed a dictionary have you!) I have some Tulips from the same seed packet at my front door in a container and they are all yellow. In the back garden in the ground they are all red.

I just wish we had pure sativa and pure indica seeds because I theorize if you put either seed in hot, equatorial zones they will exhibit sativa traits and place them in cooler, temperate zones they will exhibit indica traits.

It's all interesting.

There not saying there isn't a difference more that there isn't a couchlock indica cannabinoid and a hyper sativa cannaboid and that's it's the different ratios of terps/noids etc etc but there isn't a thing that either sativa or indicas have that other doesn't

Yeah, all fair points - maybe I should stop trying to make sense of it all and just enjoy it for what it is. 😊

Love this, Since we've established that there is no scientific difference between an indica and sativa, it's only fair to discuss why these strains might feel so different when ingested. The most likely hypothesis is the entourage theory, also called the entourage effect.

The research shows that genetically it is impossible to prove whether a cannabis plant is an Indica or Sativa. There is no difference in the genes. “What studies mainly shows is that you should not just rely on those labels, but that you should look at the specific terpene profile.

The cannabis industry needs to look more critically at its own disclosures. According to researchers at Canada’s Dalhousie University and the Wageningen University & Research, the Indica and Sativa labels on cannabis are often wrong and misleading. Patients and consumers would benefit from a more scientific approach. The researchers analysed hundreds of cannabis samples. The study shows that the genetic and chemical composition of the cannabis tested often does not correspond to the typical cannabis label Indica or Sativa.

The terms Indica and Sativa are often used to categorise cannabis. These different strains are generally believed to be associated with certain psychoactive effects. Often the effect of a Sativa strain is described as mentally stimulating and energising, while that of an Indica strain is described as relaxing and soothing. In addition, it is often suggested that the labels say something about the genetic background.

“For example, cannabis labelled as Sativa often contains higher concentrations of single terpenes with tea-like and fruity aromas, while Indica samples generally contain higher concentrations of terpenes with an earthy smell such as myrcene, guaiol, gamma-elemene and gamma-eudesmol.”

The distinction that some researchers found is not convincing: “It really is about these specific, individual terpenes that make the difference. The overall chemical profile, like the genetics, shows no apparent difference between the labels. We also found only a small number of regions in the cannabis genome that likely contribute to the earthy aroma associated with the Indica label

It’s a tough subject for sure 😂❤️

So the people (like this woman who often work for big corporations who are profiting from weed) who claim we have proven that indica/sativa doesn't mean anything haven't shown any evidence that isn't an article that doesn't cite sources

Show us meta analysis of multiple peer reviewed clinical studies that conclusively prove indica/sativa is bullshit.

You can't. You don't have anymore evidence than the bro science people saying indica/sativa is important.

Neither side can actually evidence their claims so I am not require to believe or accept either position until it is demonstrated to be true.

Now stop pretending this woman is some sort of genius, and admit she is just repeating what others have told her without referencing any studies at all.

Don't put words in my mouth, never said she was a genius

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5576603/

The person being interviewed here

They are a genius 👍

Also please find sources at the bottom of the page

Enjoy 😊

I was replying generally, it wasn't directed at anyone specifically, appreciate the "let me Google that for you there Jedi" 😅

None of the linked studies are direct confirmation of the premise, and near the end of the interview you linked to, she details how myrcene and limonene (as examples) are more responsible for the perceived effects, without mentioning that sativa plants grow more limonene and indicas grow more myrcene generally.

It's hilarious watching this whole debate realise indica / sativa are indicators of terpene content, not botanical classifications. Almost like we understood that all along if you've smoked weed for a while 😂

Its nice to have some basic evidence that terpene groupings are more important than anything else, will be interesting to see how minor cannabinoids and flavinoids affect our opinion of the botanical accuracy of the old terms.

I think sativa has just become a code word for, "not very strong" nowadays.

If you get enough THC in you, it's going to put you to sleep.

Agree.

That's why we stop listing indica/sativa in our listings. There is no way to determine which was it leans other than how you feel and we're taking one person's experience as fact.

It's absolutely ridiculous.
If anyone follows First Smoke of the Day, check out the episode with the guy that runs High Times. He addresses this amongst many other bro science things related to cannabis

Science > there's no difference between the two and we've been telling you this for years now but you wont listen and it's slowing down the progress of medical research


Stoners > but how else am i going to sound like i know what i'm talking about to my casual stoner friends on facebook without using meaningless trendy buzzwords :(

Sorry hesh, I haven't got temporal event availablity to reply I need to focus my synergy to generate a dynamic output into the locally manifested environment and haven't got time for buzzwords 😏😘

It's your own fault DR, you shouldn't have smoked sativa before 5pm, we spoke about this in the past especially only 1 month after the vernal equinox... are you crazy? that is WAY too dynamic for optimal cosmic environmental synergy!

XDD

Good point

Well made

😁😎

*Rabb1t brain now in standby

Wow, she talks fast..I broke my pencil on the first question and by the time I’d sharpened it it was all over! 😵‍💫😂

come on guys, wake up

Not maybe, this is the one that saved me!

Awesome track

oooo, me likes!! Love finding things I've not heard before..

I want to send a million mail in votes for this one.

yeah keep those crime rhymes on the shelf mrs d

Good to see clean up Borg join in with this. I’m sure you AI have developed sentience 😂 all good with me

Code Name

we're at least getting warmer here.

Mary Jane by Murkage

"A friend in weed is a friend indeed" :)

love!

Cartman really has range, nice kid too I worked with him years ago.

Have to agree with you there this song really shows his range.

Cartman is hilarious. South Park is the only thing I’ve loved since it started and still watch now at 42. We should start a Cartman clip thread.

what was it like working with the mother?

Coming in from the cold

bigg up

whole lotta love!

*orders another eighth.

pity the fool

welcome to the family

black still

One of the things I love about lb is its a race free zone. You can say you are color blind IRL but here its an existenital condition.

gender is also configurable