Just a final note to all, I’m sick to the back teeth of this stupid argument. Won’t being reading anymore or posting anymore about it. Just saying Pablo is a top vendor who has some great organic weed at a great price and I’m sure he doesn’t need this headache. If you don’t want the baccy don’t buy it.

Just adding my view on this as eggsta said if you don't want to buy it then don't.. I mean ye tobacco not good for you but I mean it's legal and really not that big of a deal.. If people want to smoke then let them, I'm sure there are people that look down on every one that smokes weed and thinks you should stop are you gonna? Probably not. Is it really any different?

Go ahead and kill yourself or be greedy and make money off it. Just don't do it here.

No idea what your problem is? It’s baccy kill yourself or be greedy? I choose neither, if someone wants to buy it cheaper then the shop then they can

Do no harm - says when you register here
Harmful as fuck - says it right on the cigarette box

This is the packaging from a cannabis product I bought recently.

Sorry but it’s the only argument. If the whole reason for nominating it for termination is because it’s harmful, then unless you want to delude yourself, you must admit that the main product for sale on this site also has the potential for harm.

I wouldn’t want cannabis banned for sale on that basis. I just want to live and let live, and dearly wish others would too.

Let's follow this logic though (and it is logical) everything has the potential to be used harmfully, even oxygen and water. Everything has the potential to be used harmlessly heroin, pcp, and crack are all safe if used carefully.

I think "do no harm" is a great rule but it requires determination and judgment and that's what this voting is for. It will always be a judgment and unlike IRL it isnt enforced by violence or kidnapping, it's just a matter of inclusion and exclusion. even then it's not so harsh, little biggy is a monopoly on nothing and impedes no one.

There are a LOT of folks with cancer here, people that discovered cannabis as a treatment for the tobacco that is killing them. To me that's why it just doesn't fit in here.

Conflating cannabis with tobacco is a ridiculous fallacy and really unworthy of this community on several levels.

That said at least you are presenting some evidence in an otherwise emotional argument and that IS worthy :)

No it says smoking is harmful, any hot vapour in your lung isn’t natural? But yer you see what you want

Yeah I’m gonna agree with you there Laughing Grass, only just saw this topic and yeah I understand the backlash of selling tobacco on LB, but pretty much everyone who I know that smokes weed smokes with baccy, especially in the UK. I personally don’t think it should be taken down like Pablo said it’s not fucking crack or hard drugs it’s tobacco, if the corner shop can sell it why can’t Pablo? I mean if you wanna buy it then go ahead, but you shouldn’t try and stop a seller from selling tobacco. He’s got a good rep and it’s tobacco not hard drugs like the other things I’ve seen on LB recently like fucking coke or ecstasy. If you wanna buy it that’s your choice, but like I said earlier Pablo is selling his goods here alongside his weed and they both mix together perfectly. No-one’s forcing anyone to buy it so I say let it stay.

It's simply because we are better than this.

Thank you, good community comment much appreciated

If you don’t want to smoke it then don’t, but to actually nominate it for termination is ridiculous nanny state type shit. Pathetic motion in my opinion considering the harms of cannabis are not fully known, but hey that’s your choice to take it isn’t it.

No that would be the national health service, a service paid for through the taxpayer, one of those being me. I suppose you live in a sterile environment, not having children, not using any educational/social services or carrying out any action with the potential of creating a cost for the taxpayer. You know it’s highly probable that someone won’t agree with everything you do. Not defending smoking, but that’s not what this is about. People who want to try and win this argument have spun it into an argument over whether smoking is good or bad rather than it being a question of freedom of choice, however, id refer everyone to the main topic question. It doesn’t ask is smoking good or bad does it.

Dude just go to the corner shop

That’s almost £25 in the corner shop, is less then half price

that excess profit goes towards paying victims cancer bills, whatchu kicking in son?

Can everyone vote this nomination down please? It’s baccy not crack jesus

Exactly, there’s people in here selling ecstasy ffs

Where?

Crack Jesus - now theres a name

Made me giggle

There is a lot of fun shit that's less harmful than tobacco Id like to see that here and this gone. No disrespect to Pablo!

You shouldnt even be asking bot. NICOTINE = HARM LEARN!

Nicotine is not anymore harmful than coffee if you actually read real facts, it also has many benefits just google benefits of nicotine, TAR KILLS you not nicotine, 30mins at the BBQ gives you more carcinagines than 2weeks passive smoking. Candle smoke is more dangerous than cigarette smoke. How do you think most people roll joints in uk, with tobacco. wish I could afford to smoke pure green but until price of weed drops it ain’t gonna happen so this is a useful item.

Just to clarify I said nicotine, nicotine also helps prevent Parkinson’s disease, and helps symptoms of ibd and ibs. NICOTINE not smoking

Real facts? You sound like one of the tobacco adverts from the 1950's. I really think you would benefit from researching tobacco harm. Tobacco contains over 600 ingredients, which when burnt can release over 7000 chemicals. So tar and nicotine are only a very small piece of the picture.

It is one of the most extensively studied substances and is widely accepted as one of the most harmful. If you would like, I can cite you literally thousands of studies proving beyond any doubt that tobacco is extremely harmful.

Yes, people do use it; but that doesn't mean it needs to be sold on here. We should be setting an example with LB that the cannabis community is a caring and responsible one and is all about harm prevention.

Wow back it off buddy, I replied to a comment that said nicotine=harm, which in my researched(I used to work in a tobacco factory) opionion is bullshit. Yes SMOKING causes harm death and lists of other nasty nasty things but it’s not the nicotine that does it. I agree smoking is real bad for you but realistically most people I know who smoke weed smoke tobacco, and to pay £25 to a shop with most of it tax that the government is gonna blow out there ass then I would rather give pablo my coins.

What is a tobacco factory? How does this make you an expert on nicotine? There is a ton of non-controversial evidence that its harmful.

Not saying I’m an expert but maybe a little more informed than say someone who didn’t work in a tobacco factory. A tobacco factory is somewhere where tobacco is processed for production of cigarettes. The tobacco is first bleached of as nicotine and the nicotine you actually smoke is produced in a lab so it’s dosage can be accurately controlled. The nicotine you smoke in cigs is actually a freebase nicotine which is purée and far more additive than the natural nicotine in tobacco leaves. AND AFAIN I DID NOT SAY IT WASNT HARMFULL, just a lot more common stuff is equally harmful if not more, and I’m sick of self righteous non smokers who think they are better than smokers just is they don’t partake. And if you want I’ll show you studies to show NICOTINE can help prevent Parkinson’s disease, IBS and others,

Word. I don't know what's more depressing, seeing the cigarettes or seeing lies on behalf of cigarettes.

That’s not true at all, 600 ingredients producing 7000 chemicals? Show me where that is from?

Nicotine is associated with cardiovascular disease, possible birth defects, and poisoning. In vitro studies of nicotine have associated it with cancer. Step up and buy some more weed bigga its cheaper than a funeral.

Lie about smoking? Can you cite one major study that has concluded tobacco isn't extremely harmful? I actually think I've lost some brain cells reading your posts.

Well the fact is they used a picture of a gunshot victim and used it to depict a person who lost their leg smoking.FACT. Now in my eyes and most rational people that is a lie, yes/no. You keep jumping the gun pal, smoking is harmful but if you read ALL the facts studies you will see that nothing I have said in any of my comments is wrong. You keep putting words in my mouth as if I’m promoting smoking, I’m not, I’m promoting rational thinking. As I said I worked in a tobacco company JTI.

Yeah I've seen some real deaths so it really doesn't matter if you are lying or the package is does it mate?

Word it's on the package ffs

Die

Thats what she said. The cigarrete that is.

Steve Bannon was his right hand man?

Yuk. Left hands yum

LOVE this

shows anything is possible kids

There used to be a guy here selling hangover cures I always thought who needs that when you have modafinil.

Yeah I think you need to make like Offspring here. There really isn't a good reason to use both at the same time.

1 Weed is good at the end of the moda trip, an indica is very soothing, when i don't feel like getting trippy I'll use a CBD strain.

2 It's not the same natural feel of cannabis but there really isn't anything I would call toxic at all.

3 Yes

Well put sir I would add that a little sativa actually works well with moda for me but I don't want to get too manic or unfocused so I am pretty conservative, like 1 hit is plenty.

Pretty much all coins vary in value like stocks do. There is finite supply of coins based on mining, which is using processor power to solve pieces of the block chain which gets more difficult as it progresses. However no matter the amount of coins that are availible if they are not wanted then the price goes down.

Often times certain events influance the demand for the currancy. The reason it went down this time was due to a Coinbase announcement that they where not going to be allowing BCH trades for a specific period after the hard fork that happened just recently. A big BTC holder sokd off a shiload of coin which started it to drop and of course others started following suit and sold off their coin as well. There are also things like market corrections, people pulling out to invest in stock or alt coins and a bunch of other random shit. Some of which is predictable and others very much not so.

Hope that kinda sumarizes things.

Shouldn't that coinbase announcement help BTC as it's a substitute for BCH?

The cryto world is even more fickle then the actual stock market. CoinBase is one of the biggest market places / sellers of crypto so it put a lot of people on edge. Been downward a lot since then.

I noticed my wallet went down a couple days ago, the pound happened to drop at the same time, is this just purely coincidental?

Supply and demand. Not being short here but every price comes down to that.

OK what determines supply and demand?

So the bitcoin value should be increasing not decreasing?

Demand is another matter, who buys bitcoins? Besides biggaz? Speculators, "fin-tech" traders of every size and shape but they all look for one thing: a quick profit. Their dealings amongst themselves is all game theory and meme-pumping. So lots off ups and downs.

Waiting for escrow to release, even after the customer has received goods and positively reviewed!

This is a good thing and another example of why Lb is the safest place for customers. I came here from a dnm and my seller insisted that I finalize early so he could get the coin, he even insisted on positive reviews or he would blacklist people. Of course he wound up fucking me and a bunch of other people in the end and there wasn't anything we could do.

Send hundreds of orders out and not be paid! Totally unprofessional

I don't like the fact you can place orders without logging in.

It might just be that I keep forgetting to log in mind.

Want to see monero or ether accepted here please

I think it's too hard to read through the content, too much, too big. Need the little in little biggy to shine too ya know

I like the LB concept, the rating system however is painfully slow, as a result LB get's boring as topics stay the same till the point that you have read whatever or posted whatever without being able to access other content. Without any further incentive this makes new users leave LB.

Are you expecting the intellectual quality to improve when using the rating system, or are you looking for the hard shit?

Neither. Let's say that the possibilities to explore LB are very limited with the initial set of rights. To have better ratings I could drop a shitload of articles, the kind of articles that anyone likes per human psyche. For example cats :) or puppies. Great for me but bad for LB, that would become a lame image board.

I think it would be beneficial if:

To have a 'topic and response' rating and a vendor rating.
To require a certain treshold, prior to having the option of becoming a vendor to weed out scammers and such.

Rating topics and responses is a difficult exercise as many downrate content they object (but is however useful content).

New vendors are basically invisible until they get some rep going, I've learned this by stumbling on to one and then never finding him again!

and rep is hard to come by!

I just throw shit out there. I've never been concerned with the ratings or pissing people off. I've voted a lot when l find something that catches my attention. I've never voted down once, even when l come across something that pisses me off. I only buy from one source, so l'm never concerned with having to file a dispute. I do understand what you're talking about. I still believe in the first amendment. Last year l watched it being torn apart, especially on college campuses where they no longer believe in letting someone speak if you don't agree with what they have to say.This is very much the same thing. Say what you need to say to get what you want. Sucks, but it is what it is.

I don't really have much concerns either when it comes to content, only where I put it and how it is accessed. So I'll see what has precedence: rating or account age. To some extent I agree that people who instigate hatred, violence and racism are pushed back, the alt-right movement in the US became the victim of extremist right. They kept on pushing the limits to see how far they could go and the alt-right should have avoided to side with them.

The same applies for Antifa and extremist left. Whatever protest where you see them, you will find a couple of idiots waving a communist flag.

Bring them together and its tribal war. If Hitler, Mao, Mussolini or Stalin would see them, they'd command to execute them all.

There's space enough on the internet and if not there is always some dark net, to make whatever online mental institution/website to meet and share.

But to have all of that shit plastered all over the place ... nah.

Be careful about content and curiosity. I heard about three young men who decided to throw away their humanity, if they even had any to begin with, and go out and murder 21 innocent people in 20 days. They fucking did it to entertain themselves. It gets A LOT worse. They used their cell phones to record some of murders. God, l wish l would have listened to that little voice in my head, telling me "Do not go and look for this. It will damage you if you do." It's hard to do when you're told exactly how to find them. Fuck Fuck Fuck!!!!!!!! I didn't listen. It could be the worse thing l will ever experience in my life. It is definitely one of the biggest mistakes l've ever made. I can only say l have listened to that voice since then but it was too late to reverse the damage. Now, I only use the internet to buy shit and l only converse with people on this website. I can't be found on Facebook, Instagram or Twitter. I have no use for any of them. In case you think l'm being overly melodramatic, go ahead and see for yourselves. I won't tell you where, but it's easy to find. Don't go looking for trouble. There's plenty to be found on the internet.

l don't get it. Everybody knows communism doesn't work. You still end up with a few people at the top deciding what's best for everyone else without any Input from said people. The only reason China is doing so well is because they kept a free market economy. If people think it's so great, go spend some time in North Korea. They better bring their own food.

Would be good if the checkout process for ordering was a basket style, so people can do it all in kne tranaction!

Amen!!!

true this

There needs to be rankings, not just ratings. Most of the sellers have scores near 9/10 but some seem to have a lot more sales than others so the rating is more meaningful, same thing if the reviews are newer.

in my opinion people are giving 10/10 no matter what quality is like. they just so excited to get some. reviews style needs changing because customers cant rely on sellers giving honest descriptions.

if you get what you ordered why would you not rate it a 10? As far as strains go, it is easy to find online reviews of each one. But you want people to start rating on personal preference, what got them the best buzz, then it will get f'ed up. We don't need those ratings; we need to know if the seller delivers what he postsPERIOD

I'd like to see buyers rank things each time, ie is this average, above/below also would like to see % of buyers that repeat orders.

repeat ordering stats would be great, L grow

True mate if ratings were adjusted for freshness I'd be closer to a 10 than an 8

You are. Looks aside.

You've got a point it does work that way for girlfriends.

It has taken me a butload of time to build a reputation, I wish there was a quicker way because it's important is several situations

Too many hidden powers!

I'm getting used to it after a while, it seems that whatever powers that exist are distributed and they not abused from what I can tell so far. It also seems that the ones I thought about like mod or admin functionality have increasingly been put in my own hands. Why they aren't laid out I can't completely figure out but it is clear there isn't much that can be gamed in the hands of people with little rep.

Sports! I have had the *worst* experiences like breaking bones and twitching and generally starting to freak myself into a heart attack simulation!

Really, it's like there's an afnil rythm that effects heartbeat and other rythms and it desynchronizes you from sports.

I can actually second this, maybe not so dramatically as mel because I play golf but I thought Id get a big focus boost especially around the time I usually get tired (11th hole) but instead by the 5th hole I got something that I can only describe as a ringing sound without the ringing. Like my frame rate in part of my brain was changed and the rest of me wasn't.

I would say socializing with small groups of people like family and people that know you well. With bigger crowds I think it actually helps with strangers.