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This is really a good point, people seem to imagine a singular a.i. hive mind, inevitably poised against humanity.

There's a potentially infinite number of intelligent entities with diversity along dimensions we can't even imagine yet.

someone will need to create real ai first... but for a benchmark i guess it should be based on showing the working out marked against some sort of creativity scale.

what is a bigga for that matter? is it a person, many people, an a.i. bot? all of these entities can have a reputation in this kind of universe.

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So it's been a couple of weeks and still nothing has really happened as far as coming up with a solution to bring some stability in the pricing for the buyers and vendors, and now that the dollar to pound conversion rate has very very quickly hit it's worst rate on record, and it's clearly showing no signs of slowing down, what are we going to do about this?

My solution, which has been backed up by so many of the sites users that i've lost count, would be the obvious

>CHANGE THE SITES CURRENCY FROM DOLLARS $, TO STERLING £<

$60 is as near as makes no difference, £60 now (£55.26), once you factor in fees for buying btc etc! this is absolute insanity, i'm now unable to afford the order i planned for today due to literal overnight changes in conversion rates

$60 right now is £55.26
$60 a year ago today was £43.20
this is HUGE

I've explained this way too many times in the past couple weeks, but the only reason we are experiencing all the negatives of this is because we are still (for no actual given reason) using Dollars, instead of Sterling as the sites currency!

at the very least, 90% of the buyers on here are within the UK, and all have Sterling in our bank accounts, not Dollars

Dollars and Sterling are neck and neck when it comes to stability in the worlds market, claiming the use of Dollars for stability reasons on here is disingenuous

and how are vendors expected to be sat at their computer 24/7 constantly adjusting their prices on hundreds of listed items just to make it fair for buyers, when all this could be solved with a simple currency change?


$60 right now is £55.26
$60 a year ago today was £43.20

this is INSANE biggas, and it has NOTHING to do with inflation in the context of this website and market

£60 a year ago is £60 today.


one final thing i would like to add biggas that a lot of you probably wouldn't have even seen at the time, or joined long after, but about 2 years ago, before we had initiatives, i was very outspoken about the fact that the BTC prices on here used to be only set in 5 digits, for example 0.0050BTC, and with the instability of BTC, this lead to us never being able to actually pay the correct amount for our orders (0.0057464BTC < how prices look now) often having to pay way more than the order is worth because we didn't have the correct amount of decimal places, this was hugely frustrating and it was costing everyone a fortune, and after making topic after topic screaming at the top of my lungs about how much we need extra decimal places and then out of nowhere with no explanation we were finally given this much needed change when LB went under it's overhaul a couple years back! i wanted to end on that, for the biggas that thought that i'm just bitching, i'm not, i poured so much energy into those topics to benefit all of us, the amount of money that we have all saved since the decimal place change would have surpassed the hundreds of thousands of £ quite some time ago, just like the change i'm asking for now, it's going to save so many people so much money at a time when we coudn't possibly need it more.

Peace.

Perfectly said . JJ & DGT

Thanks for your input JJ good to see you here pal!!

I,ve seen some of your posts before and definitely agree with you 👍

Let a get this some more traction

i know it's not, but that's not how inflation works on here as i've already explained and so have others, you're misunderstanding the point, that's not how this site works, as other people have already stated, this kind of inflation isn't relevant within the context of this site and buying weed

a £60 listing a month ago is a £60 listing today
a $60 listing a month ago would be about £48 then, and £55 today
^this is unnecessary inflation and instability

if we were using sterling this whole time then prices wouldn't have been changed by much at all

https://cannabiswealth.co.uk/2022/03/30/inflation-affecting-cannabis-market/

when have you ever gone to your dealer and he's said "sorry mate that quarter is going to cost you an extra tenner today because of inflation"... that's just not how inflation works in relation to cannabis

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FOR - Despite the complete collapse of the £ it is still the most stable currency to use because 95% of buyers and sellers are in UK and the £ is the currency we use. This means that a listing of £100 will always be £100 today, tomorrow, next week if its still listed at £100 then you will still pay £100 - this is stability. A $100 listing is £76 then £78 then £82 then £86 then £90 now it's £95even though its still listed unchanged at $100 - that is instability.

Sellers don't want to adjust their prices every day depending on international markets that have no baring on their business.

everything you've just said makes absolute perfect sense and it's disheartening to see that this is still misunderstood by a few

the only reason i can see this not making sense to someone is if they either haven't though about it all, or they have little to no buying experience on here

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Bump bump bump
Being silenced by LB here

original topic was posted 3 days ago (23 sep) but it's not being shown on the wall

we've waited too long and now look

at what point does this insanity need to reach before we can get something changed?

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There are a lot of up votes on individual comments, shouldn't the up votes be against this hesh comment 'FOR' in order to be counted? Or am I reading the instructions at the top wrong? "Votes for comments are just appreciation"

Shouldn't there also be one AGAINST comment to register votes?

Is all the voting going to waste? If I am right get up voting on the hesh comment FOR!!!

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This is just common sense. Hesh talking absolute facts in here.

there's some shite thinking here but if i take the proposal literally as "a more stable / suitable currency and or pricing" then yeah. not sure how that would work though.

there's some shite comments as well... unbelievable some people.. sorry for being the only person to actually get traction on this topic and start making much needed changes on here mate...

my whole point is to try and bring more stability for everyone as quickly as possible, and thinking of a way forward is the only way

calling this 'shite' without giving any reason why, or actually contributing a good idea, what use is that?

Please listen LB
This has mine and many others support, please stop hammering us with exchange rates it’s crippling

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FOR - preferably stable coin, then theirs no issues with payment release dates of 16days for vendors who are then stuck in huge currency fluctuations and this year alone has seen at least 3 occasions of the escrows halving in value within that 16 day period.

It does not make sense, not with the pressures of staying stealth and not being caught by the bizzes we now have to have a degree in economics just to make sure have enough to pay our supplier's in 2 weeks for the reload or have enough money for fuel etc.

The world is at a financial knife edge and if this does not get sorted some poor vendors going to be getting a hiding or 2 from some pissed off supplier who wants their money the plain facts.

FOR . JJ & DGT

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I’ve found myself going else where recently due to the prices on here. 🤷‍♂️ but sadly some people don’t have that option :(

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100% behind this initiative but sadly I think the site owners don't care. They posted last week about prioritising things behind the scenes. I've not once seen a feature the community has asked for implemented here. I get the feeling the site is run part time by a small group. I know of other marketplaces that have even the most basic of features... dated posts, search features, pages that don't take minutes to load if they have more than 200 topics on them. I can get over the dated posts and loading times but I can't get over the prices. The other place I buy from has lots of flower variety (shit for carts and edibles etc) but flower has always been £37.50 for eighths and doesn't change. It think the LB staff maybe reached the limit of their abilities. Simple functions that any other online marketplace in the world has, the LB staff don't to have the knowledge/time/tools to implement.

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regardless of this exercise the sellers need to lower their rates. they need to do this now (right now please if you are a seller reading this)

Vendors are not a charity we are here to try and make a profit. The prices are at the lowest points that I have ever seen on LB.

Can I ask you a question Mr Allmonde can I ask that you take a wage cut in your job, please?

And also at the same time pay more for your fuel and food and all the other crap.

Do you not think vendors deserve to make a living??

sure that's a good question that illustrates the fallacy of this initiative.

if i were being paid in dollars i would be making more pounds right now - just like you are.

if we change it to pounds today i'm still making the same amount anyway right?

you with me sir?

so in order for anything to change and for me to stop capturing the difference - like you are right now - i would have to lower my wage.

Correct if you are buying in dollars and paying for shipping in dollars but what I see beneath my feet is UK soil so no.

So unless you are not physically living here and working here no because every shop I go into still asks me for pounds when I shop.

It's really that simple Mr Allmonde.

The only way it works is if you buy from America and even then you still pay everything else shipping etc in pounds.

it doesn't matter if you are buying from swahili or if lb changes to shkels my friend, you will have to lower your prices to get lower prices to your customers.

can you see this?

Our prices are around 20% less across the board more or less from this time last year when things were even cheaper than they are now.

The risk reward ratio Mr Allmond is very low atm for vendors.

We are not in control of the currency markets and what happens in 2 wks after we have paid shipping and sent the item and we see the prices fall even lower and our money is still not being paid out are you going to send money to vendors when they go broke??

fair enough, this is a free market and people set their own prices and you sir are a market leader.

yet everything you say proves that this initiative will not save anyone a cent.

prices haven't been adjust once since months ago when you could buy a dollar for 73pence

switching to sterling would save the majority of the sites users quite a bit more than a cent... i would actually be able to afford to buy the same things i bought on here last week for example

you dont seem to undertstand people do not set their prices daily based on conversion rates here, so buyers are always losing money, not only that it will / has already reached a point where people can't afford to order because of the exchange rate, and then vendors won't be making any money at all if people can't afford to order

Only if it comes from the seller's pockets.

100% agree

you don't actually have to change your prices though if this goes through

example

your mcflurry, 7g, $80, been the same price for about a month, but for us a buyer, that costs us £10 more for the same order of $80 than it did a month ago

now lets say we had sterling as the sites currency a month ago

your 7g of mcflurry would have been listed at £68 a month ago, dollar rates would be irrelevant and a month later your same listing would still be £68 instead of the £75 it costs now

so what's actually happening here is buyers are the charity here, a lot of us are here to buy a specific amount of medicine each week / month and lots of us are being fucked out of that because of a conversion rate, eventually vendors are going to end up with a lot less money if people can't afford to order because of a conversion rate

Yes agreed the customer needs a better option.

If a vendor does not sell for a few weeks its better than not selling and taking a loss which has happened quite alot this year with the markets crashing.

If we knew 100% that you pay £68 and we receive that amount minus the Biggy fees there would be no issues as we are sheltered from factors outside of our control, but unfortunately that's not the case vendors are walking a tightrope, which is very perilous.

I have woken up 3 times in the last 12 months to have seen over $25k evaporate to around $9k even though I am working my bollocks off I still have lost.

Sometimes I question what is the point but it comes back to the buzz and the thrill I suppose otherwise it could be percevied as madness lol

if sellers dont lower their prices then then the pound would need to fall even further for this to have any effect whatsoever .

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up untill the creation of this topic literally nobody has adjust prices to account for conversion rates

$100 order 1 year ago = £72
$100 order 1 month ago = £86
$100 order today = £93

if we get this change, it has an immediate effect for everyone

Hesh alot of vendors from earlier in the year have already been wiped out and alot that have been trading for the last 12months are just about keeping there heads above water after the btc price dropped 3 times in value, just take a step back and have a think about what i have just said.

The price of BTC is likely to drop further over the coming months so what you are asking is for vendors to do is commit financial suicide.

Its not up to the vendors its up to the admin on here to sort this out.

the inherent instability of BTC is something we've all been dealing with and there's nothing we can do about that unfortunately

but achieving more stable prices for buyers is the opposite of financial suicide, it's incredibly beneficial for vendors to have more stable pricing with sterling instead of dollars, i'm down so much money this month because of overpaying for this conversion rate to the point i've had to go round this morning asking vendors if they can do me a custom order because i can no longer afford the fixed prices on their menus

in my original post i said it was up to the admins to sort this out but we never hear from them, and since then i've had vendors saying it's up to vendors to sort this out?

at the end of the day WE need to sort this out as a community immediately and that's why i started this initiative, even though it's probably putting a target on my back for some people, this should all be about working towards a greater good! as currently the way things are going, nobody will be buying on here as others have already stated they are buying / looking elsewhere because of this

Yes I agree with all the borrowing that the UK government keeps doing it will only weaken.

When all those people where calling for a lockdown this is the price that we pay.

For all those people who where PAYE and were getting 80% of their wages for sitting on there backsides for months at a time, this is the cost of that.

Just think when you go on holiday now the same applies. Do you think Maria from the beach resort in Spain will be giving you more sangria because our pound is fucked ?

We need to accept that we all need to work harder to make the same money as this time last year it's that simple it won't be getting better it will be getting worse very sorry to say it how it is but that's the bare bones of the matter.

We asked for it we got it, this country is fucked.

"I can't afford to smoke so vendors need to make it cheaper for me"

Sorry mate, Mary j is a luxury, if you can't afford to smoke the amounts you want, then don't.

completely missed the entire point

evidently total lack of understanding of everything said here and i can tell by your attitude and posts that you aren't worth explaining it to either

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Why isn't the GBP&USD price linked to the BTC price?

Altough, tbh, as vendors we should be price checking ourselves and our competition regularly anyway. Or, our customers would give us a nudge I'm sure.

At the same time, the best addition to this site would be both the currency prices, and the ability to settle funds, both customer>vendor and vendor>customer direct on the site.

The current 16 day escrow is laughable and a potential exit scam waiting to happen... the option for the customer to finalize on delivery hurts no-one

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BTW BIGGAS THE ONLY POSTS THAT NEED VOTES IN THIS TOPIC IS THE ONE POST THAT SAYS "FOR" WITH NO OTHER WORDS
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the rest of the posts are opinions / debates!
the result of this initiative is decided by the FOR or AGAINST votes as explained by the initiative borg!

Thank every single one of you for your input especially the vendors who have already made changes to their pricing to try and help with this situation <3

100% behind this initiative but sadly I think the site owners don't care. They posted last week about prioritising things behind the scenes. I've not once seen a feature the community has asked for implemented her. I get the feeling the site is run part time but a small group. I know of other marketplaces that have even the most basic of features... dated posts, search features, pages that don't take minutes to load if they have more than 200 topics on them. I can get over the dated posts and loading times but I can't get over the prices. The other place I buy from has lots of flower variety (shit for carts and edibles etc) but flower has always been 37.50 for eighths and doesn't change. It stink of incompetence now on the LB staffs part

worst part is i'm still sat here trying to explain to some BUYERS on here that weed for £37.50 a year ago like on other markets is still £37.50 today

the next person that tries to gaslight me on inflation i swear to god.. just can't help some people

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fe is used on the dark web alright, to scam buyers especially newer ones. sellers that insist on it exit scam every fucking time.

there is a world of hedging options available out there you can fix your problem yourself.

FE is only available for high level sellers. Never seen someone do an exit scam on AB personally and I’ve been on the market for a while. Also, why would I short Bitcoin while I’m waiting for it in escrow. I’m putting money in to bet against money I’m waiting for? You say I can fix the problem myself but clearly you’re not a seller and don’t care for them, I’m not going to put in more money to bet against the money I have in escrow it wouldn’t make sense, it would be too complex as the escrow amount changed everyday and I would have to match the escrow amount which can be quite a lot to counteract the changes or I’d have to leverage it which is a quick way of losing money fast a lot of the time. At least convert the funds into a more stable coin like USDT then convert them back and release them. This seems like the best solution since some people are afraid of the FE option which doesn’t make sense btw. If a buyer does get scammed from FE they can notify everyone? Either by a review or post.

Agreed.

The idea that a finalise early option is somehow intrinsically flawed because its all about scamming is utterly ridiculous.

Yes FE scams happened on DW sites, mostly years ago before anyone knew any better. The vendor would insist that the item is paid for in advance, they build a rapport with the buyers then at some stage they inevitably exit scam.

This whole thing is easily avoidable by the site controlling the payments. So, unless a customer has confirmed they have recieved the item, the payment doesn't get released. Simple. Any vendor found asking for customers to lie about if they have recieved the item, would be almost immediately exposed on a forum like this.

When a customer recieves their item, they go to leave their review and if they are happy for the payment to be released, they tick a box, if they're unhappy they are taken to a dispute page.

It's hardly rocket science.

Anyone who doesn't review has their money kept in Escrow for the full amount of time. That's only fair. But at least the vendor would get about 50% or more of their money earlier than 16 days, which is a ridiculous amount of time considering BTC's current volatility.

The idea of exchanging the BTC for a more stable currency or coin when it reaches Transaxe, I would very much welcome.

I can, however, after nearly 3 years on here tell you that none of the above will ever happen.

It's beyond frustrating, and in the end will only result in less choice and value for the members on here, because smaller sellers will simply dissappear, and the bigger guys can set the prices at whatever they like.

Cheers BB

Same old story fella, as soon as anyone pipes up on here asking or suggesting positive changes that benefit the absolute majority, there's somehow always a few of the same people who come out of the woodwork and just gaslight the fuck out of you instead of trying to help us all come to a resolution for the issue! nice "community"

i see it happening a lot on here, it's really suspicious tbh, and the gaslighters get a bunch of upvotes too, i'd love it if votes were removed tbh so people actually have to explain themselves

you are 100% right on this one BB, keep doing you!! even though just like you said, nothing is going to change :(

Couldn’t agree more BB. 14-16 day escrow is just too long. This is pushing me more and more towards the DW than LB. Surely there can be some form of mediation to make the sellers life easier like the BTC conversion. It wouldn’t be too difficult, just convert and convert back after escrow is over. I wouldn’t care about the 14-16 days if that was the case. But guess you’re right, sad that no one will care to make thing change but surely we can at least request it somewhere?

Yeah I think sellers need skin in the game, especially when there is no deposit or traditional legal recourse here and transaxe covers buyer's losses when things go belly up.

Think of what merchants have to put up for Paypal or credit card processing, these are actually insanely easy terms with much more freedom.

The only issue is the volatility of bitcoin compared to the seller's fiat. They can either play the market up and down or if its livelihood risk hedge it, defi is made for this.

conversion while in escrow sounds like a good idea, transaxe could swap the coins to a token upon their initial receipt.

Why not just use stable coins to pay in the 1st place?

i think they are quite a bit harder to buy than btc.

Swapping it to USDT wouldn’t be that hard, easy to buy and widely available.

Here’s a helpful article about it, but basically it’s a btc address that starts with a 1

Thankyou, I have ended up grabbing Exodus and making a new wallet that had a legacy address aswell. Bit of a ball ache but done now

It was police code for marijuana-specific calls on police radio channels (*in the US). It was changed for obvious reasons many years ago By the time it was changed, 420 was already synonymous with marijuana all over the world. Same goes for rap music..."get caught up on a 187" and "slipped and judge slapped em with a 311" with 187 being police code for murder and 311 being code for robbery.The codes are all probably different now since the person sharing this with me was a retired judge/ ex-police officer and he was talking about all this like it was from a loooong time ago. Anything but that meaning is a madeup story by some stoned kid who probably had a persuasive way of telling stories. Oh btw, Haight Ashbury has that time there because it means pot, not because they started it. They have gay flags everywhere...did the rainbow flag originate from there too? I love hearinng all the creative BS people were told and regurgitated. Grateful Dead's address? Hahaha...awesome!

yep. this is the right explanation. so wierd how a police code has become a worldwide thing! ??????

Straight story in my humble opinion, is that it symbolises triumph of marketing.

One should consume cannabis when, where, as much he/she wants. Every day, every joint, every hit is a celebration of life and freedom.
One doesn't need special occasions or reasons to consume, i think.

Seems a popular opinion is a group of teens in cali, kinda cool not sure though but fashion in languages is fascinating. Jive Turkeys......

https://hellogiggles.com/news/420-meaning/

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/bja598/the-story-behind-every-potheads-favorite-number-420

http://time.com/4292844/420-april-20-marijuana-pot-holiday-history/

Peace! :)

sounds most legit

According to Oxford University Press...

'The real story involves two friends, Steve Capper and Dave Reddix, who bonded over smoking pot in high school during the early 1970's. One day, they heard about a field of marijuana near a Coast Guard base where they were told they could pick as much as they wanted. With a map in hand, they went searching after school for the magical field of marijuana. Every day, they met under a statue of Louis Pasteur at 4:20.

"And we'd remind each other in the hallway that we were going to meet at Louis at 4:20. So we'd look each other as we passed by and we'd go, '4:20 Louis.' You always smiled when you said it, it was kind of a knowing smile. But eventually the Louis dropped," '

Yup, 4:20 is a time and not a date. It signifies the end of the school day within the Californian state education system during the 70's. It's basically the time folk meet up and have some fun... fo'twenny!

Always thought it was based on a indoors vegetative lighting grow schedule.

As in 4 hours darkness, 20 hours light = 420

best reconstructive theory right here

It's from the clock on Haight and Ashbury

That depends if its PM or AM... ; )

420 PM = disappointment - I know I have probably another 6 hours before I can have smoke

420 AM = Oh crap - Ive just woken up on the sofa again! Time to make my way up to my actual bed.

I thought at 4:20 the minute hand and hour hand unite and release a wee waft of timeless smoke....

420 degrees F is the maximum temperature at which you can vaporize THC. I appreciate the 4/20 tradition might have come before vaping facts became knows, but we're stoners... sometimes the answer comes before the question. I prefer mine at 390 degrees, but happy 420 anyway!

someone oughta brand a concentrate thats optimally vaped at 420

It symbolises getting high all the time and is thus more sacred than any biblical numerology

Wow what year is this from?

Great idea.

Not a bad idea. Would like to see the thc levels in certain strains that are up..

I'd be more intressed in toxins from the cail stuff.

I dont buy cali weed to be honest, would be more interested in thc and cbd contain in some cheaper strains and also find out what been used while growing. Also to know more about budget hash and poolen.

It's what sellers and buyers here in the U.K call the weed that's imported from california. I've never understood why there's such a hype with it to be honest, there's plenty of other legal states in the u.s but you never see or hear of that product landing here, always 'cali' weed. I don't buy the stuff personally, seems like it's just used as a brand name to jack the prices up.

Ya very true but i dont buy too much cali stuff.

Its legal in cali mate, uk stuff is what should be tested because its illegal so more chance some of the uk stuff will be brimmed with chemicals

Just coz it's legalised there don't mean they follow the rules.

you are correct, its likely used over in them legal states much more then anywhere else.

PGR is widely used in CALI, its also commonly manufactured in America also imported... Shut down, Rebranded and released... one big cycle of plant steroid abuse.... very similar to human steroids, you can read these articles online about the situation

we don't smoke cali due to the price and clear PGR use.
Got to wonder do all the legal cafe in Amsterdam test there products? with stuff flying in and out on a daily basis in bulk?

That all being said I agree with the smaller random donations from multiple vendors over one big 50 per strain.... that would just kill my wallet since I grow multiple strains, And when we don't have stock we out source... So borg. Add a ten usd share item on this and we will put in for random testing donation for sure

The point i was making is that cannabis in a legal state is going to be a lot cleaner than somewhere its illegal but there will always be dodgy stuff in legal states just not as much as the uk where there is no quality control

Yeah your right mate

Also I think that it should be the uk vendors that should be paying for this and only uk420 is doing it so it shows how he cares about customers because if i was a vendor i would do it out of curiosity also i would want to show my product was clean this is why they should be made to test their products I read a review where someone said they received smoke that smelt of hay and made them puke and to top it of the replacement they got wasnt even flushed this is shocking

Yes, It would be very useful if vendors could proof that their products are genuinely what you order and clean. I must admit that I feel uncomfortable about placing orders without such assurance. I am already ill and I do not want to make myself worse by ingesting something bad or tampered with. However, I have placed a few orders and wait for the arrival. We shall see what happens :-)

We are both right its just from my opinion i think we should test uk stuff first because people buy more uk stuff than cali because its affordable but i could imagine some cali stuff being poison because if its not from a dispensary chances are it has not passed the regulations

No trying to spam and send you all my in direction, but if your interested, look at my posts, I've put a thread up about cali weed, and in the post I've copied and pasted an article about cali weed, the only stuff that will be getting in this country from the US and how its produced.

Sounds interesting.

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When you make any post you are speaking in public. I don't see why your other public statements should be hidden, they are also public statements. As for others statements on you that is a primary mechanism of accountability here. Is there anything else on the page?

I think just a switch, close your page and then all your posts across the site are invisible so if someone has a panic they have this control switch. I'm sure that it can be abused but it need not be a permanent also a kind of throttle.

Funk shway, This is a great idea! Perfect compromise.

I see folks shitposting and hiding. Their victims are often sellers that can't hide nor can they retaliate. It's an invitation for trouble as this community grows.