AI is well past any notion or idea we can fathom. AI dosent follow ANY rule we stand by.
We as humans will never quite grasp the entire picture, while AI has already found the end of the road. there are things in basic sciences kept from most people, like gravity drives, the TIME axis (think twister/tornado), scalar waves, over unity devices, etc... AI wont follow the bounds because its supressed by money or greed...
we as humans can TRY to think what will happen, but in all reality, were already in the losing seat without any hope for a "comeback kid story"
Stop thinking in a 3rd dimension mindset, and learn quantum physics a little. (want to be totaly mindblown?? look up QUANTUM radar- and how its actualy In use RIGHT NOW!)
--note-- the united states has 3 confirmed quantum computers in use! (i accidently came across one when i traveled for work, but most people wouldnt know to look at the cryogentics involved)
Machine-in-a box- experiment has already proven even the smartest among us, would lose.
me,myself ,personaly, am clueless what outcomes will unfold, but without any doubt , humans are not top priority when AI is really awake. current neuro-nets are mind boggling and google themselves admits they cant explain how its AI created child AI even works. (yes, AI created its own second AI) want to me mind blown again,years ago it was used, look up the AI that was tested in new yorks hospital system. the smartest doctors from the world STILL dont understand what that AI did , and how it was so correct/right 97%.)
i wont lie and say its all terminator 2JD, but that is one possible outcome. we as fellow fleshy companions should enjoy life now and every moment. we wont have many opertunities when AI is out of the box.
Note: its not IF , but WHEN, and WHEN happens?? ---will humans stand a chance or will an outaide force be required? (aliens, god, let your mind wander)

A.I. will be the boss and the lowliest worker, humans fit inbetween.

If you just think as an individual what would it be like if you had a bot to do all of your work that sounds great. You'd fuck around a lot but eventually wind up doing something that meant something to you. Now imagine everyone doing that.

If there is work for humans it has to be something A.I. can't do. We are all teaching it to do everything, even (especially) right here.

I think its like retirement age is on the horizon and humans need to decide what they are going to do with all the free time.

cory doctrow has an interesting perspective on this, saying that all the displacement from global warming and increased healthcare needs will keep humans busy for a very long time.

I doubt a computer could do my job ;)
I work in safety/security

Can this do a dynamic risk assessment on the spot when someone's life is at risk? ;)

What if the people who's lives are at risk all get replaced by robots? Also, isn't that what a self driving car is doing constantly?

cars have relatively simple rules and a very fixed environment. interpreting a dangerous human is a much, much harder problem

Excellent joke:)

AI are and will be good for work and a suitable replacement for humans, but even when that happens AI will always need us in case something goes wrong. I mean humans created AI, so in the end we’re always gonna have the more important jobs. AI is just there to do jobs in a more efficient way.

im not so sure, anything a human does to recover the system seems doable with a very separate AI

Yes but conflict between AI's might be the most dangerous thing we are looking at here. We are incidental casualties from that perspective. By we I mean humans :)

Yes all the Scifi is about humans vs AI but AI on AI is such a real possibility especially when you consider the fact that governments are mega funding military robots to fight each other.

AI will come about one day with baby steps at first to "aid humanity" then all of a sudden the rich wont need people to make the food, cars and entertainment.
we will have an outbreak or a massive global reaching catastrophe while they are all hiding in the bunkers lowering the population to around 10% of what it is now and for a while whats left of humanity and the AI that serves them will live in a new golden ages of peace and prosperity ..........




i might of grew up reading a lof of scifi and fantasy


might just be high

I'm looking forward to the futher development of AI, especially General AI. I just think it would be so cool to have an amazon alexa sytle AI that you could take round with you and chat to and have a proper engaging conversation with because sometimes I really can't stand to talk to anymore humans aha

I totally disagree. AI is the continuation of the same pyramid model of which history has proven that it's bound to fail. The resources needed are of a scale that requires heavy (and never ending) financial investments. The food eaten by AI is data. The provider: humanity.

The larger the scale of data one can feed, the better the AI (and it's owners) can fingerprint, the more refined it's targeting.

Let's take an example of "AI" that we all know:

Software Antivirus:

Supposed to be the guardian that protects an operating system against 'threats' and 'threat actors using a variety of techniques to identify them. Pattern based detection, behavioural analysis and heuristics (an expensive word for: 'guesstimating' or an 'educated' guess). Your antivirus is part of a swarm that provides the antivirus vendor with data on new threats and their geographic impact.

However:

The data you provide is 'free', there is no reward or any form of renumeration for the infrastructure that you provided. A computer is not free, internet is not free, the power needed is also not free and although there are free AV solutions, most demand a subscription fee.

In return you get a product and service which does not provide any guarantees that it will adequately protect you against 'threats'.

In reality AV is becoming a relic.

Human intelligence has outsmarted AV and found ways to circumvent it using the 'Trojan horse' approach or by simple social engineering.

As there was no incentive to find or report security vulnerabilities, the data needed to feed pattern/behavioural dried up.

Heuristics is gambling with historical data, if that data is worthless so are heuristics.

And so is any form of AI hence all media and marketing efforts to portray it as the next best evolution. The driver: more profit less people.

The touted theories about a minimal wage without having to work for it are a continuation of AI Utopia. It would make people dependent on their nations through a socialist measure.

That spells national socialism and fascism.

Think twice before you give out data for free in exchange for a freemium service.

data,the new oil. put it in an old ford and it leak evertwhere.

in my opinion, there are some "things" machines/AI will never be able to do. inspiration for instance.

fear of AI dominance, as i think, comes mainly from our knowledge-without-understanding of the fact that we are not doing some things that we are supposed to do.

The inspiration process is largely about open mindedness, computers are inherently better at this. If you look at some of the early entrees into the arts like painting and even screen writing they are off to a helluva start.

There are AI playlists on Spotify that generate new music based on current trends and preferences.

The Pen Pipe! Just turn the metal tip into a bowl brah

Holy shit! Did that in school 15+ years ago. Do kids even have pens at school anymore!?!?!

I bought a device on eBay that screws onto almost any bottle, turning it into a bong. When the bong water gets nasty just throw the bottle away and attach it to a new bottle. It's not completely DIY but it still has some merit nonetheless. Besides, nobody likes dealing with bong water and it's easier to hide when compared to a regular bong.

People we need to turn our bottles into bongs!

where were you . Back in the day I remember so many times we could have used this. why didnt we ever think of this. lol.. love it. thankyou

When we were little the wikihow salesman used to come door to door with books like this

Not a bong

and this is not the Hacker News, chill.

At least he didn't downvote and turn it all grey

Russian Bot

Bit heavy on the toxins but will get you there in times of need.

Thats incredible haha

Consider the Apple Bong.

Dude if Apple made a bong...

It would cost 500 bucks and be worth it

Toilet paper bong is the other end of the market

That they would sell newer versions of there Bong every few months. That cost more then the last one and has miner improvements. Auto makers found it didn't work for them but it has worked for Apple

Dude I thought this but you gotta see the new green one

It would be the most overpriced worthless bong. Haha

If you mean best and don't mind finding some tubing and drilling you will have something that beats most expensive bongs

Cut the bottom off a 2 litre bottle of pop, stick it in a bucket of water, use a milk bottle foil cap to to make a cap and fill with weed. Light it and pull up. Make sure you press down as you inhale.

I think what you have there is a DIY steam roller, I had one of these and loved it, yes water is totally optional its the expansion that does the magic and water is almost guaranteed to make a mess.

Haha awesome

Try, a 500 ML soda bottle + a few inches of garden hose + cake icing socket... voila !! Homemade shotgun bong

Shit that works!

Similar to what we done back in the day!

Pringles tube!!

can make joint or burning Bong, put ice cube in base of it..

Delish and mouth piece is big and makes air tight seal on my fat cheeks 👌

i made a spliff bong from a tango doll about 25 years ago. worked great!

all you need is a coke bottle, a down pipe and a bowl and a glue gun.

ive made bongs out of so many things over the years, it more a case of - what cant you make a good DIY bong out of!!!

good luck!!

:)

Some genius Bong ingenuity here!
Another pro cannabis point proven from this topic alone:

You give smokers a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke it with and suddenly they become engineers! Brilliant. : D

My special skill is that I can McGyver a bong out of almost anything.

Basically, as long as you have tin foil you can do anything. Make pipes: a few wraps, tight around a pencil, seal with scotchtape lengthways. Fan out the end before doing so. Tear a circle of tinfoil, and a pin ("anyone wearing a badge?"), open the back page of an unloved book, place the foil on the paper, and tap the pin up and down repeatedly and you have a perfectly serviceable gauze that you can poke in the end of your fanned pipe.

I prefer not to smoke out of anything plastic. Just seems like we know not to burn plastic in the outdoors, so keep that shit away from your lungs, right?

Fruit has always been a friend for the thrown together party bong. Watermelon is obviously beautifully carvable. Always thought a papaya, with its natural internal chamber and a couple of pipes would probably be viable. Poke holes into the fruit with a screwdriver or, if you don't have one, a pencil or pen.

Finally, you can make an incredible ice bong, but it's a faff. Get two barbeque skewers. Place them in a pint glass, of water with the ends 10cm from the bottom of the glass. I made an inverted kind of A frame with some tinfoil to hold them. If you do the same, keep the crossbar out of the water. Freeze the glass.

Boil the kettle. Use a combination of twisting and pulling to extract the metal skewers. Then, tilt so that one side is facing down over a sink and slowly pour boiling water into the holes. Eventually, you'll have a bong. Make a tin foil gauze. Smoke like a muthafking champion.

Small Fanta bottle, they're already the right shape. Lighter to make holes on front and back in the right places for a rush/carb and a downpipe. Then use a bit of garden hose for downpipe with a bit off a socket set in the end to use as a cylinder cone. Then either a circle cutting from the metal gauze in a coffee percolator as a screen, or a piece of foil with some pin holes in, or just a small ball of foil. Schmoke it up in style, all for the price of a small bottle of Fanta. 💚💦

The simplest bong/pipe I made was a used can of coke.Dent the can enough to rest weed on and put pinholes in it, simples!

Some of my favourite emergency methods...and I consider myself a bit of an expert...
Pop a L shape hole through an apple, carrott or similar using a kebab stick, scoop out a cone with your fingernail. Chuff away.
"Pin ups" Flip a badge on it's back stick a lump of hash on it, ignite and stick any glass over the top. Slide the glass to the edge of a table and suck the cooled contents out of the gap.
Bamboo Bong - Made by Thai locals in seconds with a couple of swipes of a machete. Scoop some water from a stream and your off.
Papaya stem (hollow with a coney end) straight into a cola bottle seal the neck with your lips and finger. Hey presto. Indonesian bong.

A milk bottle

That is the escape, it opens your mind to the bigger picture, you can see who should or shouldn't be in your close circle, you can see what matters easier

I don't get high to escape I get high to open my mind

It makes the mind ponder, why we have thc, receptors, in the first place?

i get almost religious when i think about this but then i remember there are opiate receptors as well.

exactly

Yes, psychedelics to expand my perspective, of course!
But I use cannabis to better accept the shit that is pushed on me from all sides since the day I was born. Cannabis just has that power to really upgrade my life in this sense. I guess Id use less of it I there was less stress and city idiotism in my life.

You will wish you hadn't found reality if you ever do find it. I don't recommend you search for it since it is a bleeding 'orrible ace to exist.

We all get to choose our reality and seems the choices are still expanding

Not me. Get me the fuck outta here!

i concur, get him the fuck out of here

Then I probably wouldn't use the tern 'stoned' to describe this condition. It sounds more like you are elevated

Has your fam ever tried cannabis?

Wait I saw the Universe on THAT TV.
how much?

watch your mouth aliens are very touchy about their age

Bahahaha

Read some of Graham Hancock’s work or furthermore listen to the book of Enoch (the watchers), it’s not for everyone but a fascinating listen all the same. I have also been looking at the Megalithic masonry it’s mind boggling, Puzzle!

Graham Hancock's books are amazing! There are some great vids on YouTube as well!.. Randall Carlson and Dr Robert Schoch are also worth a look as well.

Ancient Aliens has some good bits... and frustrating bits... but more of a fun watch than serious information.. lol.

Also, another good channel to watch on Youtube is Bright Insight: https://www.youtube.com/c/BrightInsight

I think its more likely that there was an ancient civilisation that was as advanced as us if not more so.

On this kind of topic, does anyone else listen to Jim Harold's Paranormal Podcast?

I dont but my animal soul does and usually tells me about it.

Your animal soul must be super interesting!

I really don't know. I've watched documentaries on the theory but haven't made my mind up. I love hearing about alternative views though so I'm going to try Joe Rogan's podcasts mentioned in the conversation. It's kind of fun presenting theories like that to people you know are staunch nonbelievers. I like the reactions you get. I guess I'm open minded about that kind of thing until I get a first hand experience that confirms or denies it.

Well theres been ancient humans so why not lol

The evidence is everywhere. See the religious texts and reference to ships of light, fairy folklore Etc All the same phenomena but through different lenses in my opinion. Look for the books by Jacques Vallee. Unacknowledged on Netflix is worth a watch too.

You're taking text from 3000 years ago, and using that as your "evidence."

What about the bible, that must all be true too?

Okay perhaps the term ‘evidence’ is too strong when referring to old texts. just offering my opinion on this phenomena which may or may not be ‘aliens’.

Check out the recent videos released by the US Navy I.e. tic tac and Gimbal. Also the many reports with multiple credible witnesses.

I do have believe in ancient aliens especially in regards to The Pyramids construction.

I do like a bit of conspiracy too... lies buried in a library of History... Or His Story

There is a pod cast with Joe Rogan and Bob Lazar. Bob had mentioned that the craft he was working on was dug out of the ground. Speculating it had been buried for hundreds of thousands of years.

It was a very compelling pod cast.

Any show that has 16 seasons must be true.
Not a true believer, but learned a lot from the show.

AA is craziness with a good amount of thought provoking articles such as the fucking fabulous stonework from the Stone Age.
Some of the presenters/ contributors are regarded as top comedians in our cave. David Childress to name one

Thought I'd add my own two cents into this.
I respect everyone's own view and opinions on the matter just wanted to make that clear.
I watched a debunk documentary by two men named Michael Hieser and Chis White and it truly blew my mind. It's extremely interesting, factual and I would recommend watching the whole thing. If anyone wants to watch it here's the link:
https://youtu.be/eeO3wm2y2zI

Hope every one is doing well in these trying times also!

It seems plausible with the stuff that they show on tv, although is that the stuff I was blazing making it out to be??

Its under the ice.

I'm sure if I was some ancient alien leaving buildings on some other planet I'd be back to check on them. What's the reasoning for these aliens just leaving little hints around the place?

I think the simplest answer is most likely the truth, there wasn't any aliens. People built stuff that looks odd because people are odd.

Ha ha. ' People built stuff that looks odd because people are odd.'

Ancient people didnt just build odd stuff, they built intricately designed structures with mathematical precision

This is what make me think there was never aliens but a previous global civilisation that were more technologically advanced than the history books tell us. The evidence they left behind is to real.

Maybe we are devolving as a species

It just made me laugh the way this comment was phrased.

lol

The evidence has been left all around the world. For what ever reasons it is not taught in schools. Why is that? Hmmmm...

Look at this for an example of evidence ....

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2884299454934060&id=182073298490036

Thats just some YouTube video showing some mayan stuff with some creepy music in the background...that is not evidence.

Arguments For
upvote here for the initiative

When you make any post you are speaking in public. I don't see why your other public statements should be hidden, they are also public statements. As for others statements on you that is a primary mechanism of accountability here. Is there anything else on the page?

Maybe some kind of "context throttle" so you can't just dive into a person's life's posts if people feel sensitive about this but the real issue is vote throttling so access is not abused.

Funk shway, This is a great idea! Perfect compromise.

I see folks shitposting and hiding. Their victims are often sellers that can't hide nor can they retaliate. It's an invitation for trouble as this community grows.

I agree, as a self policing community we all inevitably become a police department. Like any cop I'm lazy and would rather have intrinsic crime prevention than get all into some petty domestic case.

I think all the resistance against this is really 1 thing: people don't want to get posted ON, they don't want to be the subject of posts because it doesn't seem to have much utilty besides getting trolled on.

How about an initiative to clean up the initiative format?

yes someone needs to take the initiative on this

what does it take to make this happen?

Yes!

Arguments Against
upvote here against the initiative

Just make thei author's links appear colorless/dead, that will be accurate and it says something about the author that deserves disclosure to readers.

I just heard customs seized my carts from Uk..;( All they said was either missing papirs or The inside that got IT stopped. UK to Norway. What a bummer! 350$ gone i guess?

The best way to think of the universe is like a book, a really big book. The first page is the big bang and the last page is so far away we can't see what it looks like yet. The universe is everything in the book including us. It's not just the "things" that are described such as planets, galaxies, people, empty space etc. It's also the events described. Me writing this post at this time on this phone is now an event, and this "event" is now part of the universe. Every thing, every place, every event has universal Coordinates of location and time. Belfast, Ireland at 13.41 on Sunday 6th January 2019, immortal J posts on little biggy about the nature of the universe. In this sense you could say that we are creating our own universe as we go. If an alien being that exists outside of our concepts of space and time could read our book, he could go to this page, this line and see me writing this post. There could be a whole load of shit outside the book but we don't know, because we only exist within it. We can never see the front cover or the back cover. We are limited to what happens in the pages. This is our reality. The whole entire universe is just our concept of reality. We cannot even comprehend what might exist outside the front and back cover of our book.

ImmortalJ is spot on!

I like to think of the universe or space as a gigantic ocean. Our little earth is just a mere island in space, and all those other galaxies and planets are islands in our endless ocean. Imagine if you were one of the first members of the human race who was born on one of the thousands of islands that make up Singapore. You may be able to see other islands from your island but until the invention of boats and ships you can only dream of what those islands would be like. Space and the universe is just like that but on a higher level. Our Earth is one of those tiny islands and now that NASA is planning to build a moon base, you could say we're taking our first steps towards space travel. We live in exciting times. I wonder what Galileo would think if he were alive today. Stoned astronomy with him would be awesome. Ok, now I'm rambling...

There are many solutions the easiest of which is an upgrade to the source code of the currency, just like security updates for any software. Cryptocurrencies can evolve around these kind of problems, especially when they are open source with large communities.

On 1 August 2017 a parallel universe was born out of a singularity. We call this a fork. Everything was identical for 1 moment but then the 2 branches: bitcoin (btc) and the new bitcoin cash (bcc) became different currencies with different futures.

Another analogy is its a clone of bitcoin, and everyone with a wallet on Aug 1 gets a free clone. After that new coins are mined separately on bitcoin and bitcoin cash, it's former clone.

It's noteworthy that it had a market cap in the billions from launch. You could call it hype cycling but when you realize what it is: a clone of a proven currency with an agenda to lower fees and serve everyday users then it's not so hard to understand.

Yes, here's a guide