When banks create a new loan they must also create an equal and opposite liability, in the form of a new demand deposit. Meaning when banks loan they create money out of thin air. They simply make it exist.

There is a really good series on YouTube that goes in to great depth about how it all works.

https://www.youtube.com/user/whygoldandsilver

nice man, thanks for sharing will 100% be putting this on later

I binged watched the series in one night. No regrets haha. Really gets the brain matter flowing. That link is to his main channel, it seems he has a lot of new content. Even some videos on crypto.

This is the link to his main series I was talking about, that goes in to great depth on banking, the federal reserve, fiat currency and economics as a whole. Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyV0OfU3-FU&list=PLE88E9ICdipidHkTehs1VbFzgwrq1jkUJ

thanks muchly, think you might like richard werner

I do indeed. Interesting solutions. Mike's series (if I remember correctly, it's been a few years) doesn't really go in to any solutions to the many economical issues we have, if at all. So this was a nice listen. Ty!

I get your point here but reviews are to me about the product, and as you get to know certain LB characters from posts and reviews I know if X likes it i likely will as I liked what X previously liked, different strokes for different folks man, but for you I get it, you did your job as best you could so the rating almost looks a reflection on you as a vendor, as said it’s a flawed system. The personal likes and dislikes is the whole point of the review, you can’t please all the people all the time.

Hit nail on the head, for me rating shows my professionalism, my teams dedication and product accuracy , on amazon would rate the TV brought on del, accuracy of description not on how many pixels it shows.

Amazon is a good example, for me I see the ratings as for the product I’m buying, I then read the comments on the low rated to see why the low rating especially if it’s against the grain on other ratings, then I see bad delivery, dispatch arrived broken etc, I wouldn’t rate a poor product a 10 because Amazon did what their job... because it’s their job.. I expect flawless service quite honestly. .
I personally wouldn’t like to order what I believe from another LB member I trust to be a 10 when it was a 6/10 herb but delivery was speedy and stealth was on point.

What I mean here is you build your reputation as vendors on product and service and that shows by repeat customers not a random number on a rating system. No one is wrong here imo, just a different way of looking at the system we’ve got, best of a bad situation type deal.

Shame wouldn't even contact after, changing rating to discuss why sudden change, ah well some people are never happy!!

Well lol if you mean me then I can easily explain.

Sorry about not discussing it with you first, it never occurred to me as a thing to do as a review is my review. You asked for a honest review and I gave it. Never said anything bad, just honest and never expressed being unsatisfied.

Reason from going from 10 to 8 was because I rushed to say 10 before smoking it.

Maybe I’m using the point system wrong but I concluded I couldn’t mark it a 10 because I marked your cream at a 10 and the gold seal is lower grade IMO

I am happy with the service over all

I hope this clears things up

Maybe next time make sure you smoke/vape/eat the product before you rate it but please don’t change how you rate cos for me it’s helpful, kind of sick of everything being a 10/10 on here, helps no one imo,

How come you changed your score up to 10 when you first put an 8 mate?

I originally put 10 then went down to 8 after a smoke

A comment was made with a fair point as I said there previously so I re raised to 10 (social pressure) lol based on the product coming safely in good time and stealth.

Kept the personal thought to the write up

This is turning into a debate

Another thread needed

Don't think rating is accurate that all. Product as described, good stealth rapid delivery, personal likes and dislikes shouldn't come into rating, but I guess that a small flaw with LB

His personal likes and opinion is exactly what the number represents. LB has a large flaw with ratings, in that very few of us rate honestly. People rate a product 10/10 when they haven't even tried it. The vast majority of ratings on LB are 10/10 and let me tell ya, there are very few 10/10 smokes on here. That is a perfect score people. PERFECT.

Ratings mean nothing to those who understand how they work.

Couldn’t agree more, a couple of the alleged 10/10 I've had were 6-7/10 at best, wish people were either more experienced or honest when rating, sadly a lot of people on here seem to not want to anger or piss off vendors and I really have no clue why, we are paying them... I say as I see with everything on here and will always do so as it will ultimately only help vendors and buyers alike.

You can get something one day that you say is ten but the next order is twice as good so how do you rectify this

You can’t say it’s 20 out of 10 and would it be reasonable to go back and re-rate the first stuff at 5 out of 10?

Also very interesting point.

Know what I mean

Yeah man I stopped going by the general ratings long ago. I think they work as far as judging if a product is of undeniably poor quality, because then you'll maybe see some low ratings. Apart from that they may as well be arbitrary. You hit the nail on the head and honestly I get it. They have our dox and a bad rating certainly can effect their bottom line, and you've seen how unhinged some vendors turn out to be. It's either that or they just want to be in their general good graces for better service or that little extra weight, but that's just my take on it.

To right mate people shouldn't be made to put what the seller wants.

Here here! Ratings are for the people not the vendor.

Fair, but there is 2 parties involved buyer and vendor.

At least understand that ratings not about service or professionalism so no longer need to stress about

I understand your side as well mate. The fact you are upset about the rating shows you stand behind your product.

My products and team efforts! Thicker ogre skin being installed

Hahah that's the spirit.

How would personal likes not come into a rating by a person? Average ratings are what matters.

True however averages don't truly represent vendor service or product because personal preference and the grinch affect, can easily sway the average. Rating based on strength of product is highly subjective and this results in a negative bias toward the average

could the rating system be less vague? ie
1. Shipping /10
2. Quality /10
3. Personal rating /10....etc ....
then the one liner....just a thought...would this help? idk

I know right but shrek has a point

The rating system is a bit flawed if you will

Product arrived stealthy and was as described so 10/10 for that, maybe keep the personal opinion in the write up review and out of the rating part

You should put the rating of what you think. If you think it's a 8 then give it an 8 and just say everything else was 10/10. Never ever let a vendor tell you what to put coz now we all seen this how could we trust a review on this product.

Someone stated that this happened with his sour diesel aswell

More to point love ya sausages.

The thinner the better

Fair point

New to LB, so are the ratings for the product or the seller or both ?

It’s been a hard thing to determine here. I started a new topic hoping for vendors to chime in with their opinion

I could be a complete onion here and have missed the rules and guidelines on this rating system lol

Actually I haven’t read any site rules where are they???

Why? shouldn't we all be asking why we want to live longer, rather than going along with that reactionary action from deep in the psyche of 'Yes ofcourse I want to live longer!' and I don't care why I do........

Because I love life and the folks here on Earth

Thanks just that genetic measurement of age is an eye opener. Seems once you can do this you can measure everything we do against it.

Hey Han, yes indeed it is an eye opener. From what I've read that will be exactly the case. We should be able to mesure how specific habits etc. directly affect the epigenetic (horvath) clock. Exciting times for sure!

Then hookup an AI to make favorable decisions for us, then... It seems all paths lead to the same place :()

I use Coinbase to buy Bitcoin then transfer from Coinbase to my own wallet (I use the BRD app on iPhone). Then pay for stuff on LB from my BRD wallet. No problems at all so far in 18 months on LB.

Yo Jim, thanks man - so does it cost me more money down the line on the wallet bit? Coinbase already get their little dig and I'm guessing everyone else does too?

Nah, no BRD fee for simply sending or receiving Bitcoin. You just pay the small network transaction fee. If you buy Bitcoin through BRD then there is a larger fee, but I don't do it that way.

I don't know about them reporting users they suspect of buying illegal goods but there is evidence to suggest that they are tracking how you spend your coins.

Coinbase is fine to buy coin, but I would suggest you send it to another wallet before you buy anything with it. It only adds a minute or two to the buying process.

Coinbase > Your wallet > Vendor.

Who’s to know what your sending it to if it’s another wallet another wallet could just be where you send said spent bitcoin...I’m near sure this extra step is a step closer to money laundering

Yeah..I mean..if they can id one wallet then they could id them all surely??? I can't see how Coinbase can justify any suspicions tbh but then I guess they don't actually have to in order to suspend you...

Many things bitcoin is used for so it’s up to them to prove I suppose

Coinbase is no hassle as far as I am aware so far so good

That's uhh... that's not what money laundering is.

bitcoin laundering lol

hehe

What’s up Side to the Tracked, thanks for jumping on man. Ah ok, yeah I mean my main thought on this was for vendor security, want to look after the main guys you know, none of them seem to state on their ads etc not to do though it so again I was thinking they got it handled from their side?

What wallets are people using? What’s the eaaasssiest for a dumb fuck??

Hey no worries mate. You can never be too careful y'know? In the unlikely event you need your ass covered you might as well cover it. I never used to be security conscious but honestly it pays to be safe around here. The more layers the better!

Anyway man you can't go wrong with Electrum for a first wallet, as far as I know it's still one of the best.

Alrite cool, I will start having a little look at these things... yeah it's not my ass I'm too worried about, such small tings you know, tiny ickle tings ah gwan in my yard nowdays ha ha... but yeah just suddenly struck me that I don't really understand non-existent digital money and was I fucking up by doing it like this??... like trying to spend a dye marked £50 or something dumb...

Mr shed I only use coin base , and have done 3 years on this account and 2ish years on my previous account , on average I spend 150 / 200 a month and never had a issue , I’m not a whipa snapa my self and only read on here last week about people using another wallet but looks like extra hassle to me as I’m not a computer person at all ✌️

My man, what’s happening. Yeah it was a bit of work to get myself this far ha.. I read all this stuff about extra security etc but to me it looks like lb takes care of most of that? My main thing is I don’t want to get cut off anywhere as it will take me another month to figure it all out again you know... thanks man, makes me feel more mellow about the situation to know you don’t get hassled.

We are the community, that's the premise and why looking for someone to save you - that's antiethical to how it works here,

There's a whole miserable world outside of people ready to exploit fears. I like to think of little biggy as a sanctuary from that.

I don't want anyone to save me. I want the community to be at less risk and the fact that this premise has any opposition at all astounds me.

Also, each of your paragraphs contradict the other, so I'm not sure what you really mean.

Addresses will be at risk while sweetdreamz is here trusted vendors should only be able to recommend new vendors this would stop banned vendors and make the community safer because lets face sweetdreamz will keep changing accounts if nothing gets done its been proven then he just plays the victim

Vendors selecting their competition?

And it will stop the same banned vendor from leaking addresses again its the only way to stop it when you are dealing with someone who keeps making new accounts

As long as they are genuine competition is irrelevant

This site has exploded with drama in the last week, I missed the sweetdreamz saga but I've read about what happened.
Sounds a massive bellend.
What proof do you have that Ronald maybe the same guy?

Soon as i put becareful with addresses on his page another vendor account pops up with no items its Ronalds back up account because he knows he is eventually gonna be exposed but like the scumbag he is he will keep coming back sweetdreamz kept my address for a year after ordering this shows how messed up in the head he is and he will just keep coming back keeping everyone addresses people need to be warned about him

His vendor pictures are similar he was charging the exact same prices as sweetdreamz for his blue skittles shatter and if you look on the items list no other vendor offers 0.5 for 45 dollars only sweetdreamz did that Ronald even makes thc carts guess what so did sweetdreamz and he messaged me a load of waffle one of the messages say can we resolve this like adults what innocent man tries to justify something he has not done lol resolve what if you are innocent and there are many more red flags just remember he is the undisputed champion of making new accounts this is his fourth account atleast

I hope your ok really I’m sure this madness is eating you up inside

this shows you being a lick arse because i knew exactly who you were from the start

Why would I need to lick the ass of a fake Rasta off the internet sort it I was enquiring as to why you were spreading unwarranted shit about me all over the show and you’ve done nothing but help me get my votes up since

you claimed you were new but spammed everywhere for votes if you look at genuine new vendors this would never happen it only happens with you you messaged because you were worried so tried to convince me its not sweetdreamz when it clearly is you come out with the same waffle everytime

Hahahhahahaa what a numpty you are really are you jealous has your dla not come through yet to order some weed off the internet because your scared to leave your house

It’s not possible for ther to be any proof as it is not me but Rasta in on a mission to prove otherwise I’m tired of trying to defend it in which he says makes me more guilty I give up lol time will show I’m legit

just because your ronald account is legit you are still the banned vendor sweetdreamz who cant be trusted with addresses

Look at you still going at old comments LOL

Legit scammer and before you say show me proof people only need to look at your history on lb even has the brains to start another account when you thought Ronald account was at risk shows how desperate you are you are just a scummy street dealer who will say enything to rip people of eny one can put shitty uk weed in a cookies bag and sell it more than its worth but not everyone is a tramp like you you were known for pulling stunts like that you are the definition of Dishonest

my Customers will speak for me you wally sort your own shit your nothing but a name on a forum who looks absolutely doolally

i keep scumbags like from coming back you think its a big joke peoples addresses being shared which shows how scummy you really are

Your obsessed with me you im not interested in people’s addresses that achieves nothing for me

people have eyes there is barely eny thc reviews are irrelevant when it comes to smoke people might think shit weed is good if they dont have a good tolereance so that means nothing

I tell you what I’ll send some to testborg when I get time just for you sweet cheeks do you need a cuddle or anything

That still does not prove you are not sweetdreamz

Nothing you have said makes any sense at all to me it just makes you look more and more crazy every time you obsess over me

Saying stuff like that just makes it even more obvious

Ok have fun with yourself

you are like a fly on shit what a desperate man when will you learn your lesson you are not welcome here after what you did

When will you learn your barking up the wrong tree

am finished there is no more i can say but you will slip up eventually

That’s the thing I’ve nothing to slip up about so I’ll be just fine as long as my customers are happy you are a 100% irrelevant troll on a forum

Look at how fast your rating went up lol there is a difference between interacting and commenting everywhere for votes no new genuine vendor does that only sweetdreamz

Get a grip of yourself man

there is a difference between interacting and spamming the shit out of enything you can find to comment on

Well regardless of your wild conspiracies it says in sellers tips to interact and comment so your gonna find more people to accuse before you know it have a nice day

I know its you so say what you want

Maybe see your shrink about the paranoia or maybe cut down on the unflushed weed it’s fucking with your noggin

You need to get a grip if you think people are that stupid how can we give addresses to someone who is mentally unstable and keeps addresses for when he gets kicked of

You’ve got a cheek to call anyone unstable your a paranoid wreck you can’t go round accusing every new person of bullshit

I think you just make it obvious with your shady business and you are doing the same things as sweetdreamz you are a clown but a insult to Ronald McDonald haha and its obvious you are just a low level street dealer exactly like sweetdreamz like somebody already said there is too many red flags so its best to stay away from you

Yawn

You know absolutely nothing about me or my weed so until you’ve bought some I’m not interested in you you little stalker

im a stalker because i exposed you well done that shows you are starting to panick

Not at all just hope it’s making you feel better

How am i accusing every new vendor how would you know that if your new i accused you because you are sweetdreamz what crank leaks people addresses because they got kicked of you need help and better weed by the looks of it im stating facts and you dont like it you share peoples addresses over 20 dollars and because you got exposed you went on like a fiend for 20 dollars haha

are you not bored of making shit up yet

are you not bored making new accounts and getting kicked of

That’s the thing your not getting i haven’t made one before or after this one what can you not get your head around

Enyone can make shit up lol what are you not getting your head around

Your starting to look desperate

Mr Spock has topic on his page with a link to all sellers ,jobe has a good idea , is to get everyone to vote on it and upvote trust worthy vendors and down vote the scammers , it’s a nice little idea ,someone could set up a page and manage it ,it’s just something to have , all we can do is try , cause until we rumble the dodgy vendors nothing is gonna be done

Yeah that is a good idea. Could be worth doing mate.

Seen your post man , the vendor needs to stop posting we’re he’s posting sort out the stealth , and trial run it again , it’s an accident waiting to happen at the moment , get him to send a few dummy posts see if they get held to , feel for vendor and customers, especially customers though they have all the emotions involved

Shocking isn't it. It's negligence at this point mate. Yeah I'm worried about them going to pick up their packs now man :/

I can see addresses ending up getting leaked again and this time there will be more

You guys have got me wrong man big time and over time you will see you were wrong with me

Interesting one, I don’t like the thought of people losing money either but due to the nature of the business I don’t think it can happen.
It’s a total cliche but we’re given a lot of liberty on here and with it comes some responsibility.
I’d like to think anyone capable of finding this place etc has the basic skills required to conduct their own due diligence.
If someone isn’t comfortable or has doubts they should stay away. I also hope it’s pretty obvious to anyone that’s spent a couple of hours here who the most popular vendors are and who’s a safe bet for a noob.
Vendor reps are earned the hard way and I think it’s pretty fair to say all the top vendors fully deserve their rep so something must be working.

Ultimately I don’t think any system is perfect and there will always be occasional problems especially when people are involved.
Even with a vetting system in place, the situation Panda found them selves in would still have occurred as it was one of the vendors staff attempting to sabotage the business.
I have no idea of numbers but would guess/hope the percentage of problems is tiny compared to successes.
Also, I say all this as someone who’s never had a problem on here and understand some users experiences may differ but still stand by the main point of taking some responsibility for your own decisions.
I totally understand where you’re coming from but until there’s a change in law, unfortunately I see it being nearly impossible to vet. I would like to think if people are careful then risks are really really tiny and are generally kept to the minimum.

We're not just talking about losing money here. People have had their private information leaked online, had the police knocking at their door, and been put on criminal lists. On top of all that, they have also lost money. People in the community are now scared and paranoid, and rightfully so. We are responsible for our own decisions but when the same scamming vendor can sign up several times and collect peoples data over and over again, something needs to be done about that.

I have seen time and time again people stumbling on to this site and having to ask the community how to set up a wallet, buy btc, find a vendor, make a order, pay for a order. It is evident that unsuspecting and naive people sign up all the time, and those are the people we as existing members need to protect.

I disagree, I think as a new member it is overwhelming. You have so many choices and the pressure of making the right one only increases the chances of making the wrong one. It is not immediately clear that shady people operate here. People come in and make a order from the likes of Radar, or Drugs INC and they then assume it will be safe to order from anyone. Even BH got screwed, and I wouldn't call him naive. The issue is not with the big vendors here mate, it's the exact opposite. Despite little to no ratings, people continue to buy off these flash-in-the-pan scammers. I don't understand why it's acceptable on any level.

The system is far from perfect, it actually does the bare minimum. You mentioned responsibility, 95% of the policing here is done by us. We need to collect evidence, report, and convict. The admins just remove the culprit once we've done everything else. I don't see how we can be any more responsible with the system we have been given.

I encourage you to do some digging in to the panda situation mate. People are still receiving unsafe packages that stink, after the worker in question was supposedly removed. You bought that sabotage thing? That situation wasn't handled properly either. At least 2 people including panda have been received letters and the vendor is getting a pass. 2 others got lucky and were not reported, but their packs were reeking. People continue to order unsafe packages. Personally I don't think any amount of people getting busted is acceptable. JJ looks as legit as they come, has plenty of ratings and is very, very active. Yet anyone could easily get screwed by ordering there. I'm not sure how we are supposed to be vigilant about that, or responsible for it.

I don't think the law needs to change, just a few simple changes around here to protect the community. It isn't impossible, and has never even been attempted. No matter how little it may be, I don't think any risk of people being doxxed should be acceptable.

Thank you for joining in the discussion mate. I hope my tone doesn't come across as argumentative.

Hey, no not at all. Its fine, I completely take on board your points but it’s clear we’re coming from very different places on this which is cool. I’d rather not argue, just discuss and find solutions. It’s also clear you’re not the only one with concerns so I guess it’s something that does need looking at.
Saying that, I’ve seen similar points raised in the past and nothing is done once the hype dies down.
I would urge anyone with concerns to gather like minded people and at least attempt to put into action the changes they want to see.

If it’s a case of protecting new accounts from ordering off new vendors, could accounts with less 10 buys be locked off from vendors with less than 50 sales?
Should we only accept new vendors who’ve been bought here via referral?
Should all new vendors be made to send samples out ?
If that’s what people want then at least try and make it happen.
I still think a change in law is the only way you’ll get the buyer protection you want but could user address’s be erased from the order form once the purchase has been rated?
I think anything close to GDPR are going to be impossible to enforce but how could it be better?

Also if someone isn’t happy with how things are run and doesn’t have confidence in the system they don’t have to use this place. The situation with smelling packages is unprecedented but what could have been done differently to prevent it from happening?
I understand everyone wants good stuff and for some it’s medical but while it’s illegal or until members who want changes bring in those changes it’s very much a case of buyer beware. I have every sympathy for people who do get caught out but personally I’ve been well aware of all the above risks and the possibility of having a package intercepted since day one and accept it.
I honestly wish you all the best in your endeavour to get the changes you want.

Getting anything to change on LB is next to impossible, it's hard to mount a movement when the cards are stacked against you from the beginning. It's also hard when a vocal few have an issue with a premise that apparently wouldn't affect them. Your main problem seems to be that posts like this never lead anywhere. I don't think that is constructive to anything.

Some of these suggestions are good. GDPR levels of data protection I'd never expect, however some basic transparency in relation to how vendors handle our sensitive data is a very minor thing to ask for. Putting guidelines in place so that vendors know to practice good OPSEC in regards to our data. These are things I could easily put in to words, but without official backing they would mean nothing.

I understand that you are happy and that's great, however by your logic anyone who has an issue with anything here should just leave. Personally, I don't want to lose 95% of our community. My original post here was about scammers, not bad stealth and JJ, so I'm not sure how we got on to that.

Regardless my opinion on that situation is that of course it could have been prevented! JJ could have practiced better stealth. He got several people busted mate.. not just Panda. That should never have happened and I can't believe it is being accepted, after several more cases of seized packs. That is insane to me. You pretty much just summed up my point? Until we can mount the changes outlined in this post, we as buyers must beware. Getting busted because a vendor practiced bad stealth is not something any of us have accepted, nor should we. There weren't just intercepted at all, these packs were in a horrible state and were begging to be picked up.

Yes I do think posts like this lead to nothing and in my opinion are pretty much pointless unless acted on, constructive or not that’s how I feel.
If like you say 95% of the community has issues then you should be able to make enough noise to get the change you want. You say it’s impossible to get change, but you haven’t even tried.
Going back and forth when we have different opinions is ridiculous. I’ve tried to level with you and see it from your perspective at this point I really have nothing else to say to you.

I would argue that planting a seed is not pointless. It gets people thinking, talking and discussing ideas. Why is this ever a bad thing? I said next to impossible, and am I not trying right now? I'm sorry mate but I thought we would be able to talk without emotions getting involved?

Do you really think having a discussion with people who have opposing opinions to you is ridiculous? It begs the question.. why engage in a discussion in the first place?

Very well said, the acceptable number of fuck ups from a vendor should be 0, and I think repercussions from the site admins would motivate vendors to have a keener eye on what goes on in THEIR business, this could be an increase in fees for selling here or something along those lines. I'm not sure how it works behind the scenes, but something that will keep vendors on their toes.
So far now I have come across 3 separate posts of people that have had stinking packages, this is not acceptable. It's so dangerous man, and I've learned first hand what happens, thank fuck I didn't have a big order. People could be fucking arrested and face court, the buyer is entirely in the hands of the vendor and I think this needs making apparent, maybe as a notice before you actually go ahead and press pay that can serve as a warning.

I agree. These aren't massive sweeping changes we are talking about. Just a little extra protection for the people that keep this site afloat. I think these are all great ideas and a deterrent should be put in place. I'm not sure what kind of compensation, if any, you received but it seems like not much has been done as a result of your situation. I'd hate to think what would have happened if you were ordering quantities that would constitute intent to supply!

That is a really good idea and one easily implemented. People also need to be aware that their data is in the hands of the vendor too. Who knows what is happening with that.

Yeah man a deterrent would be good.
I'm just getting refunded mate, I'd have sooner not have had the police around though instead.
it was only 30quids worth and I can't even spend it on here for a bit now lol
I'd hope the vendors would delete addresses after they have dispatched, but whether this happens and how you police that they do, I don't really have an answer for that

A refund has to be a bit of a slap in the face man.

Well how it's dealt with in the real world is the GDPR. Vendors should be stating exactly what they do with our data. When found to be breaching the rules they ought to be subject to punishment in the form of fines or termination (in the case of SD/DH). I just don't think it will happen with the way things work though. One can dream.

Understand where you coming from feel bad whats happened and changed every aspect of post. Prior to this great reviews and i always resolved any problems. This was major fck up on my part as from not be trusted bit unfair as never had any disputes and refund any body not happy with item. Like the good thing on LB freedom to give advice. Packages that did arrive where before i put new stealth procedure in place

I think you are at least doing the right thing moving forward. You have admitted your mistakes and are working to improve. I didn't say that we couldn't trust you, just that mistakes were made.

Agree I had dispute my last order, he challenged my dispute, I take a 3% hit on my disputes, luckily my rep is good and I won , but a newbie might not stand a chance , stick with trusted vendors for the mean time for me

Yeah exactly mate you are lucky you have a standing in the community, glad you got that sorted though and I feel bad for the scammer that he can't earn a honest living. Newer buyers are also likely to go to these vendors because they don't know they shouldn't. It's a sucky situation for everyone I hate to even be talking about it, but I think we need to protect people more than what is happening.