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ilsenator
Where's the new high grade vendor gone?

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ilsenator
Where's the new high grade vendor gone?
I vaguely recall seeing some excitement about a certain London Caviar joining the LB crowd? I can't find the threads any more though; this site's basically impossible to navigate. But... where you gone LC?
Sitting on bitcoins in some volatile times, are we gonna get a glimpse of a menu anytime soon ;)
Cheers, ta very much and etc.
Sitting on bitcoins in some volatile times, are we gonna get a glimpse of a menu anytime soon ;)
Cheers, ta very much and etc.

Hi ilsenator hope your good bud! Check out our page only Cali pre packs and loose. Jungle boyz coming in the next week or so.......

Yeah man, I asked the same question yesterday but my thread seems to have been put on silent and hasn’t shown up anywhere. I did comment on their page but when I follow all old links to it it’s gone... it’s all like it never was?!!

grand opening grand closing.

maybe LB doesn't want LondonCaviar here, or they're just busy

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ilsenator
Anyone remember purple brick weed?

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ilsenator
Anyone remember purple brick weed?
All through the 90s I always saw bits of purple brick weed floating round this time of year. I think it was Dutch outdoor grown usually - Purple Power, or similar strains. It was sometimes almost black in colour and had a particularly zesty but earthy flavour. I used to love the stuff... was such a seasonal thing it just reminds me of fireworks and bonfires.
Anyone ever seen it for sale in the last few years? Or is it just another relatively low potency product that's now fallen out of favour?
Would love to grab a bit of that again, for old time's sake
Anyone ever seen it for sale in the last few years? Or is it just another relatively low potency product that's now fallen out of favour?
Would love to grab a bit of that again, for old time's sake

I'd say you're right on the purple power. I had some frisian dew last grow and it was very similar to this! No purple though, that's achieved outdoors in the cold.

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ilsenator
Tiny Might vaporizer

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ilsenator
Tiny Might vaporizer
This is a very new device, coming from a small independent manufacturer in Finland. But it's a bit of a game changer. It hits harder than a Mighty, if not as hard as a Flowerpot... and it does so on demand, in an instant. And it has adjustable capacity, so you can load as little or as much as you like. And it's tiny. And it has user-replaceable batteries (so you can carry spares, meaning this is as portable as it gets). Plus it looks prettier than every other mainstream vape device. I cannot recommend it highly enough. Performance is absolutely top-notch, and it's the most attractive and practical vape I've ever owned. It's instantly become my favourite herb vape by some margin.

A handheld will never ever hit as hard as a flower pot, harsher maybe but as hard not possible for many many reasons.

can someone please sell this shit on little biggy i dont want to deal with privacy, credit cards or mistrust i just want to hear what my biggaz have to say and click.

Does it have a restrictive draw? Currently have an Arizer Solo 2 and my one and only complaint is the restrictive draw (I understand why it's like that, but would like it not to be if you know what I mean?)

The restrictive draw is horrendous for me, lovely device it it works for you but after my flowerpot’s free flow I just couldn’t go back to the Solo because of the draw, line milkshake through a straw, but for some it’s it’s biggest draw I guess, just not for me.

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little biggy theme song?
little biggy theme song?

*orders another eighth.

subjecting anyone to randy newman isnt fair

lmao

youve got a friend

ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE..
(Monty Python of course).
(Monty Python of course).



Coming in from the cold

I want to send a million mail in votes for this one.

Awesome track


love!

Cartman really has range, nice kid too I worked with him years ago.



welcome to the family

"No No Song"
Huh-huh! Huh-huh
(Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah)
(Aye-aye-aye-aye)
A lady that i know just came from columbia,
She smiled because i did not understand.
Then she held out some marijuana, ha ha!
She said it was the best in all the land.
And i said,
"no, no, no, no, i don't smoke it no more,
I'm tired of waking up on the floor.
No, thank you, please, it only makes me sneeze,
And then it makes it hard to find the door."
(ah-ah-aye-aye)
A woman that i know just came from majorca, spain,
She smiled because i did not understand. (parazzi! Parazzi!) (ole!)
Then she held out a ten pound bag of cocaine,
She said it was the finest in the land.
And i said,
"no, no, no, no, i don't sniff it no more,
I'm tired of waking up on the floor.
No, thank you, please, it only makes me sneeze,
And then it makes it hard to find the door."
(aye-aye-aye-aye)
(aye-aye-aye-aye)
(aye-aye-aye-aye)
(aye-aye-aye)
A man that i know just came from nashville, tennessee, oo, (oh no!)
He smiled because i did not understand.
Then he held out some moonshine whiskey, oh ho,
He said it was the best in all the land. (and he wasn't joking!!!)
And i said,
"no, no, no, no, i don't drink it no more,
I'm tired of waking up on the floor.
No, thank you, please, it only makes me sneeze,
And then it makes it hard to find the door."
Well, i said,
"no, no, no, no, i can't take it no more,
I'm tired of waking up on the floor.
No, thank you, please, it only makes me sneeze,
And then it makes it hard to find the door."
Hey yeh!
"i'll just have another drink, barman, have you got a large brandy?"
Huh-huh! Huh-huh
(Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah)
(Aye-aye-aye-aye)
A lady that i know just came from columbia,
She smiled because i did not understand.
Then she held out some marijuana, ha ha!
She said it was the best in all the land.
And i said,
"no, no, no, no, i don't smoke it no more,
I'm tired of waking up on the floor.
No, thank you, please, it only makes me sneeze,
And then it makes it hard to find the door."
(ah-ah-aye-aye)
A woman that i know just came from majorca, spain,
She smiled because i did not understand. (parazzi! Parazzi!) (ole!)
Then she held out a ten pound bag of cocaine,
She said it was the finest in the land.
And i said,
"no, no, no, no, i don't sniff it no more,
I'm tired of waking up on the floor.
No, thank you, please, it only makes me sneeze,
And then it makes it hard to find the door."
(aye-aye-aye-aye)
(aye-aye-aye-aye)
(aye-aye-aye-aye)
(aye-aye-aye)
A man that i know just came from nashville, tennessee, oo, (oh no!)
He smiled because i did not understand.
Then he held out some moonshine whiskey, oh ho,
He said it was the best in all the land. (and he wasn't joking!!!)
And i said,
"no, no, no, no, i don't drink it no more,
I'm tired of waking up on the floor.
No, thank you, please, it only makes me sneeze,
And then it makes it hard to find the door."
Well, i said,
"no, no, no, no, i can't take it no more,
I'm tired of waking up on the floor.
No, thank you, please, it only makes me sneeze,
And then it makes it hard to find the door."
Hey yeh!
"i'll just have another drink, barman, have you got a large brandy?"

Yeah no, no no or yeah! no no?

Let it be



words of wizz, dumb

You don't need crack and you don't need speed coz everything is better with a BAG OF WEED

we're at least getting warmer here.



black still

One of the things I love about lb is its a race free zone. You can say you are color blind IRL but here its an existenital condition.

gender is also configurable

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Dabbing: Banger Question
Less vapour means less flavour too though... it's …
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Dabbing: Banger Question
I’ve recently bought a small dab rig and read that a thermal banger and carb cap combo was the way to go but I find I get better results using the standard slanted non-thermal banger and carb cap (less residue left and a tastier hit). Why is this? Is the standard banger just better glass than the thermal banger?

I obviously need to educate myself im a full time dabber but i I just never knew there was any difference should I by using different setups for different concentrates :/

I don’t think you need different setups for different concentrates so much but the ultimate goal for me is to dab at the lowest possible temperature to get the flavour whilst also making sure as much concentrate vaporises as possible so there’s no waste. If you use a carb cap it lowers the pressure in the banger as you dab so the concentrate can vaporise at a lower temperature. A thermal banger is supposed to retain a steady temperature for longer but my experience has been that there’s often puddles left when I used it so not all the concentrate Ian vaporised.

dude if you like dabs check out divine crossing v4 and reddit/waxpen
cant remember when I had a dab trough my banger after this shit, but more expensive as you need a good vape mod as well.
cant remember when I had a dab trough my banger after this shit, but more expensive as you need a good vape mod as well.

I didn’t have much luck with the thermal banger myself , much prefair a standard one and bubble cap or some term pearls and a spinner cap works great. , I find I heat the tastiest dabs if I blast the banger for a min then cool of for a min. But my time if was all over with the thermal banger for some reason.

Exactly! They say thermals are meant to retain the heat for longer and you only need to heat as long as a normal banger but if I did 1 min heat, 50 seconds cool (my preference) there would be hardly any vapour or flavour of the thermal banger.

I'm guessing your 'standard' banger is thinner glass, so heats up quicker etc. Maybe your thermal one's just not hot enough when you hit it (hence less flavour and more residue)

less heat would mean more flavor though

Less vapour means less flavour too though... it's that balance between actually vaporizing everything, but not burning it. If it just melts off and cooks into residue, it's less of everything (apart from cleaning up after!).
My nails and bangers are gathering dust these days though. Just find myself using my Puffco Peak for convenience and consistency.
And BTW Mr Hootan... absolutely loving your last 2 extracts. The Black Cherry DIS and the Biscoff Rosin are awesome. Please do keep em coming!
My nails and bangers are gathering dust these days though. Just find myself using my Puffco Peak for convenience and consistency.
And BTW Mr Hootan... absolutely loving your last 2 extracts. The Black Cherry DIS and the Biscoff Rosin are awesome. Please do keep em coming!

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hoqwer
Vaping different strains
The 'stonier' aspects of the effects do require th…

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hoqwer
Vaping different strains
I’m finding different strains irrelevant since I started vaping.
Compared to smoking there is a world of difference.
Smoking everything seemed a bit heavier, a bit more indica.
Vaping, no matter what I smoke, it is a really clean clear high!
Example, last night, I smoked a mega sari a haze, a Mimosa, pink Kush and Alien Dawg.
Honestly, through a vape I couldn’t tell the difference. They all got me majorly high, but really clean and smooth. Nothing heavy at all. Literally couldn’t tell the difference, except in taste, definitely a difference in taste.
What’s the deal?
Feel like I should just mix them all together!
And I’m a seasoned smoker.
Even the Kush gave me mega active high. What’s the deal?
I’m kid of longing for the super heavy couch lock, brain dead zombie stoned before vapes.
Even before vapes I didn’t use tobacco, just pipes x
Compared to smoking there is a world of difference.
Smoking everything seemed a bit heavier, a bit more indica.
Vaping, no matter what I smoke, it is a really clean clear high!
Example, last night, I smoked a mega sari a haze, a Mimosa, pink Kush and Alien Dawg.
Honestly, through a vape I couldn’t tell the difference. They all got me majorly high, but really clean and smooth. Nothing heavy at all. Literally couldn’t tell the difference, except in taste, definitely a difference in taste.
What’s the deal?
Feel like I should just mix them all together!
And I’m a seasoned smoker.
Even the Kush gave me mega active high. What’s the deal?
I’m kid of longing for the super heavy couch lock, brain dead zombie stoned before vapes.
Even before vapes I didn’t use tobacco, just pipes x

I can understand that it doesn't give you a hard hit as smoking and it is a different high, I agree. But I can still feel the difference between the strains (head vs body etc). I vape at a low temp of 195 celcius. What kind of vape are you using?

I use this one. It's cheap, but fine. Gets me high. I vape at highest temp of 428f... whatever that is in Celsius. I have to use a lot of weed though. Twice to four times as much per smoke than I would with a pipe.

Attach the vape to a nice glass bong, vape at 200 and rip that bad boy! Works for me, you’ll also be able to differentiate between strong flower and the not so strong a bit shit stuff!
I found the same as you straight from the vape but adding glass allows you to get more in and with the water cooling it a much smoother experience.
I found the same as you straight from the vape but adding glass allows you to get more in and with the water cooling it a much smoother experience.

Unfortunately you are losing potency because the cannabinoids condense on whatever they touch, the cooler the worse the effect is. It may get you more quickly wasted due to being able to get more in your lungs in a shorter amount of time, but you are wasting your herb unless you do an iso wash to get it all back;) even then Terpenes are lost

None of that stacks up in my experience, the effects are stronger for much longer for me and I even use less flower in comparison to using just the Mighty.

I've been smoking for years and recently tried moving to vape, but found that I couldn't really get properly high on it. Tried multiple, good quality strains (strawb ammo, lemon ammo etc), but the high is just nothing compared to smoking.
Do you guys have any suggestions on ways to improve vaping experience? really would like to stop smoking altogether!
Do you guys have any suggestions on ways to improve vaping experience? really would like to stop smoking altogether!

I think vaping is just a totally different high. It’s like getting stoned but without the sleepiness. It’s like getting stoned only in the conscious part of the brain and the rest of your brain and body are normal. It also completely shoots my memory compared to smoking! Literally can’t remember a thing since vaping, like even mid sentence. I also have to use twice as much than a pipe to get there.

Use the highest temp setting and make sure you finish it;) the lighter and headier cannabinoids are first to evaporate. Then the heavier body cannabinoids last. When smoking u get them all at once plus a load of other crap

Thanks. My vape runs in 5 minute cycles. I normally do 2 of them at the highest temperature. The weed is pretty brown and gone when I clean it out.
I think it’s just nature of vapes, no heavy couchlock stone.
I think it’s just nature of vapes, no heavy couchlock stone.

The 'stonier' aspects of the effects do require the higher temperature settings; but unless you're reaching combustion, you'll never get the carbon monoxide. And that probably is what enhances the stoney feeling... nothing like a bit of mild suffocation to relax you! I vape 9 times out of 10, but when I want the full stoney whack, smoking's the only option. Conversely, I can't really get 'high' from smoking any more - it's an inefficient way to get the THC; I'll burn a gram and maybe just feel a little sleepy.

i always mix different strains together since in my experience all these buzzwords and shit associated with sativa / indica etc are nothing more than buzzwords, you're either stoned or you aren't.
in 20 years of smoking thousands of different strains very heavily on a daily basis i've never had such a thing as a "creative high" or "energetic high", i feel like all these very subjective effects started appearing fairly recently when all the hipsters started smoking weed and now they "can't smoke indica before 5pm bro it affects my creativity"
i think a lot of this comes from people being unaware of moodswings etc and mental health, weed just enhances whatever you are feeling, if i'm tired, i smoke and feel more tired, if i'm hungry, i smoke and feel more hungry etc etc, regardless of what strain it is!
in 20 years of smoking thousands of different strains very heavily on a daily basis i've never had such a thing as a "creative high" or "energetic high", i feel like all these very subjective effects started appearing fairly recently when all the hipsters started smoking weed and now they "can't smoke indica before 5pm bro it affects my creativity"
i think a lot of this comes from people being unaware of moodswings etc and mental health, weed just enhances whatever you are feeling, if i'm tired, i smoke and feel more tired, if i'm hungry, i smoke and feel more hungry etc etc, regardless of what strain it is!

Have to agree with you there hesh to a certain extent lol, but I can definitely tell the difference between a heavy Sativa v a Indica!

This made me laugh! A lot of what you say is true dude.
I do agree that most weed just gets me stoned. I do notice some differences between strains sometimes, some are really chatty and social and some are just really comatose, however how much that has to do with indica or sativa, I don’t know.
All strains in a vape seem to be pretty chatty and social. I haven’t been able to get a good comatose on since vaping, no matter what I smoke. I miss that. Bought two heavy indica strains recently just to get that to mong to some movies with, but no joy.
I think it’s the vaping. I do miss a really heavy couchlock smoke where the whole day melts away!
I do think that some strains are naturally more social, though I I’m not sure anymore what the indica/sativa component has to do with it. Smoking all different stains and can’t really find a pattern.
As for the ‘creative cerebral high, perfect for wake and bake when you have work to do’ etc... well when I’m stoned I’m a mess no matter what the strain... I can’t get shit done!!!
I do agree that most weed just gets me stoned. I do notice some differences between strains sometimes, some are really chatty and social and some are just really comatose, however how much that has to do with indica or sativa, I don’t know.
All strains in a vape seem to be pretty chatty and social. I haven’t been able to get a good comatose on since vaping, no matter what I smoke. I miss that. Bought two heavy indica strains recently just to get that to mong to some movies with, but no joy.
I think it’s the vaping. I do miss a really heavy couchlock smoke where the whole day melts away!
I do think that some strains are naturally more social, though I I’m not sure anymore what the indica/sativa component has to do with it. Smoking all different stains and can’t really find a pattern.
As for the ‘creative cerebral high, perfect for wake and bake when you have work to do’ etc... well when I’m stoned I’m a mess no matter what the strain... I can’t get shit done!!!

glad you found it funny mate that was the intention lol, just read it back and realised it could have come across in a different manner!
but yeah i think you're on to something though there must be a difference in how THC is absorbed via either combusting or vaping, as ingesting also produces a different effect to combusting!
totally agree with your last part of that reply though mate!
but yeah i think you're on to something though there must be a difference in how THC is absorbed via either combusting or vaping, as ingesting also produces a different effect to combusting!
totally agree with your last part of that reply though mate!

What temp do you vape at brother?
I find lower temps for day smoke and higher temps for night smoke works best.
Experiment with different temperatures for different strains.
I find lower temps for day smoke and higher temps for night smoke works best.
Experiment with different temperatures for different strains.

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Jason1
Is Hootan product real and reliable
The well-priced deals are the ones shipping direct…

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Jason1
Is Hootan product real and reliable
Hi fellow like minded folk ..ive seen some offers that look excellent..can I please ask the opinion of you guys ..it seems very reasonable prices advertised for what looks like an excellent product..tell me your thoughts
Many thanks ..and happy Christmas
Many thanks ..and happy Christmas

I've ordered from hootan around 6-7 times and all have been excellent bud (like really lovely stuff) delivered in good time and with excellent stealth and comms. I'd highly recommend them...

The well-priced deals are the ones shipping direct from Spain. I ordered an oz of the hash and it was good enough for me to trust in grabbing a bit of that Cherry Pie too. Just appreciate it's going to take a while to arrive (esp at this time of year, pandemics, Brexits etc!) but I'd trust that the product is largely as described.

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Has anyone had these ?
I'm also very well acquainted with all sorts of Ma…
Has anyone had these ?
Been smoking for years and used to live near Malaga so smoked a fair bit of Moroccan hash but never seen these before. Would love to hear biggaz experience with these. He’s got these little doughnuts as well also look interesting

Hi Emz! This is a unique product I brought to you wonderful biggaz for the holidays! made of delightful AAA grade moroccan hashish, it's important to make clear it's a
completely different hash from the moroccan soft Indica hash. it's much more hybrid in effect.
I'm also not surprised you haven't seen them before, they are custom made for my shop for the holidays.
your love made it possible.
first ones shipped yesterday, hope y'all biggaz will like them.
sending big love back to you all!
completely different hash from the moroccan soft Indica hash. it's much more hybrid in effect.
I'm also not surprised you haven't seen them before, they are custom made for my shop for the holidays.
your love made it possible.
first ones shipped yesterday, hope y'all biggaz will like them.
sending big love back to you all!

No one would have yet buddy they were only uploaded the other day and hashishin is based in the middle east so delivery times are long no one would of had chance to try yet. I ordered some bud from him the other day and he said delivery will take around a month but that's understandable and at least hes straight up about it. These and the donuts he's making look unreal though ay?

Hi I get that nobody had had any of this listing unless he has started offering teleportation delivery , when you read the description it seems this is a morrocan traditional hash not something Newley created and was curious if people had come across it before as I haven’t. Thank you for coming back to me though. Would still love to Hear from people that have ?

I’ve Smoked this Hash Palm !! Excellent clean smoke you will not be disappointed couple spliffs will make you stoned for a very long period but you can still function !! So clean and pure no flame needed!!!

Ah my apologies Emz. Didn't realise what you meant, but that's a good question actually. Now if only hashishin could start offering that teleportation delivery...

working on that teleportation delivery service ;-)

I'm also very well acquainted with all sorts of Marocs from the last few decades! I don't think these shapes are a thing, really. I assumed it's just a bit of novelty value - presumably this and the donuts are just the soft Moroccan he has, repressed into alternative shapes.

again, it is very important to make clear this hash is a completely different hashish from the moroccan soft indica, with more of an hybrid effects.
Also the donuts, made of an sativa diesel hash with amnesia haze bud wax in it.
cheers! :-)
Also the donuts, made of an sativa diesel hash with amnesia haze bud wax in it.
cheers! :-)

I've not tried the hash version,but I've seen this design put on biscuits/cakes/sweets in the Rif

Hi Nick! the design like mentioned in the listing is a traditional sign of protection. It's widely used in various places in morocco and the middle east. happy holidays brother!

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Cali weed vs Dutch and Spanish weed... is it all clever marketing
Hi Lads
As a grower I'm 100% confident that my best strains/ grows will hold their own against most, but the demand for the unusual/ different and exotic is stronger than ever.
So the Question is, what makes real Cail weed better ? Or Dutch import for that matter.
If I get top end genetics ( seeds ) as a starting point, why cant I equal or better cali weed ?
Genetics are what they are, and theres no secret way that only our US friends know of too growing weed.
Good genetics/ good nutrients ( possibly organic) / good growing environment ( lights extraction, stable temps etc and cured the right way.
I personally think it's a bit of a trend thing a bit like supposed wine connoisseurs... get a group of smokers to try 2 good UK grown stains and 2 cail and most people couldn't pick the supposedly more superior product imo
As a grower I'm 100% confident that my best strains/ grows will hold their own against most, but the demand for the unusual/ different and exotic is stronger than ever.
So the Question is, what makes real Cail weed better ? Or Dutch import for that matter.
If I get top end genetics ( seeds ) as a starting point, why cant I equal or better cali weed ?
Genetics are what they are, and theres no secret way that only our US friends know of too growing weed.
Good genetics/ good nutrients ( possibly organic) / good growing environment ( lights extraction, stable temps etc and cured the right way.
I personally think it's a bit of a trend thing a bit like supposed wine connoisseurs... get a group of smokers to try 2 good UK grown stains and 2 cail and most people couldn't pick the supposedly more superior product imo

I made my own cross back in 2003 with a pure haze (m) and a bubbleberry (f) to this day its the finest weed ive ever smoked! I only grew out two seeds and it went 14 weeks both phenos were almost identical.
Ive also grown other cuts of various strains in hydro, soil and outside in the uk, all methods produced different results in the plants appearance, smell, taste and effect.
For example the cuts grown outside were so different you would have thought it was a completely different strain! The high was very uplifting and mild compared with the hydro which was a heavy couchlock effect.
I put this down to the difference in light spectrum from the sun (full spectrum inc uv) I believe this changes the terpene and cannabinoid profile in the plant.
Ive also run metal halide exclusively and noted a difference compared with hps ie it is more similar to sunlight at midday you will definitely see way less stretch and the flowers are more dense and flavoursome but will lose a little yeild. I finally settled on mh for the first 3 weeks afer switch then hps for the remainder of flowering. Next time i grow i will be using diy led cobs with the aim of getting 1.8g /w
My point here really is to agree with the op a good pheno grown well, flushed properly and dried cured properly ( MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR IN FINAL PRODUCT) will always compare to cali/dutch etc imo.
If you really want something special do what they do but on a smaller scale they will grow out 100's of seeds from an unstable f1 cross and find a phenotype that is rather special! Good luck stabilising it and preserving the desirable traits in seed form though!
In fact this is what happened with cheese it was a freak pheno that was only available as a clone for a long time. I suspect the seed form now is not nearly as nice as the original cutting? Sorry for going off on one i just wanted to share my experiences experiments.
On another note some of the oldschool strains will put modern cali strains to shame for example bubbleberry from sagmartha seeds, super silver haze to name a few people always want the latest thing it doesnt mean its the best!
Big up Ukgrower2
Ive also grown other cuts of various strains in hydro, soil and outside in the uk, all methods produced different results in the plants appearance, smell, taste and effect.
For example the cuts grown outside were so different you would have thought it was a completely different strain! The high was very uplifting and mild compared with the hydro which was a heavy couchlock effect.
I put this down to the difference in light spectrum from the sun (full spectrum inc uv) I believe this changes the terpene and cannabinoid profile in the plant.
Ive also run metal halide exclusively and noted a difference compared with hps ie it is more similar to sunlight at midday you will definitely see way less stretch and the flowers are more dense and flavoursome but will lose a little yeild. I finally settled on mh for the first 3 weeks afer switch then hps for the remainder of flowering. Next time i grow i will be using diy led cobs with the aim of getting 1.8g /w
My point here really is to agree with the op a good pheno grown well, flushed properly and dried cured properly ( MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR IN FINAL PRODUCT) will always compare to cali/dutch etc imo.
If you really want something special do what they do but on a smaller scale they will grow out 100's of seeds from an unstable f1 cross and find a phenotype that is rather special! Good luck stabilising it and preserving the desirable traits in seed form though!
In fact this is what happened with cheese it was a freak pheno that was only available as a clone for a long time. I suspect the seed form now is not nearly as nice as the original cutting? Sorry for going off on one i just wanted to share my experiences experiments.
On another note some of the oldschool strains will put modern cali strains to shame for example bubbleberry from sagmartha seeds, super silver haze to name a few people always want the latest thing it doesnt mean its the best!
Big up Ukgrower2

The Cali strain thing, to me, is just hype. It just means the strain genetic was produced in California...highly doubt any of it is "flown here not grown here". Having raised this topic in coffeeshops in Amsterdam, they say its flown in....yet their Twitter accounts show them growing it, stage by stage hahaha. When asking in a cannabis social club in Spain, they told me they grow it themselves. Other coffeeshops in the Dam have also told me the cali flown in thing is bollocks. As you say, tins are available on ebay in bulk. That says it all. Ive also had friends give me nugs out of "cali tins" that cost £50 for 3.5g and its been standard commercial weed.
I think the deal with dutch weed is their experience on a commercial basis. Spain are winning the game in my eyes though! If you get a genuine spanish import you are in luck!! It will be lovely! As with Dutch imports....its not too hard to shift weed around Europe. But the risk to import from the U.S just wouldnt be worth it IMO.
I think the deal with dutch weed is their experience on a commercial basis. Spain are winning the game in my eyes though! If you get a genuine spanish import you are in luck!! It will be lovely! As with Dutch imports....its not too hard to shift weed around Europe. But the risk to import from the U.S just wouldnt be worth it IMO.

The fact that theres power sellers on eBay getting rich off selling thousands of shitty tins/tubes and stickers advertising exotic cali strains says it all. Theres no telling the "connoisseurs" who pay £400+ an ounce, that their "cali" more than likely originates from someones bedroom tent in the same town :)

The fact that it's even possible to get "Cali" grown outside of California says it all really, it's become a type of brand name. If some one grows a bit of Amnesia I've never heard them call it UK grown Amsterdam.... it makes no sense.
"Cali" is the kind of thing we have to worry about if we ever go legal or whatever, it's just big American companies trying to steamroller over everyone else. Same old shit, different market.
We definitely need to make sure we look after our UK growers going forward, we do DANK better on this side of the pond anyway. Let's get a whole range of Cheese's going I say :P
Nothing wrong with Cali mind I might be being a bit harsh but we do have to be careful though.
"Cali" is the kind of thing we have to worry about if we ever go legal or whatever, it's just big American companies trying to steamroller over everyone else. Same old shit, different market.
We definitely need to make sure we look after our UK growers going forward, we do DANK better on this side of the pond anyway. Let's get a whole range of Cheese's going I say :P
Nothing wrong with Cali mind I might be being a bit harsh but we do have to be careful though.

*** I'm looking at doing a run of RSO, Canna capsules and some rosin Dabs if the demand is there. For anyone interested please see my other post.
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Great thread. I’ve enjoyed reading all the replies but what sticks with me is that same doubt... I don't think much genuine Cali grown weed makes it over here... as you've said, there are loads of UK producers making very convincing ‘counterfeit’ Cali packaging. Its crap.

There are good reasons why someone might choose Cali or Dutch over UK bud, but I think the rationale behind it has been somewhat drowned up by hype/fashion. But ultimately, Cali or Dutch bud should - in theory - come from more accountable growers. 'Real Cali' is tested, and it's quality verified - that will be appealing to people whose 'street' purchases might be questionable. Same goes for Dutch, to a degree. In as much as if this is sold in a coffee shop, it has to compete with all bud in all coffee shops, and is therefore expected to be of higher quality.
There are also legacy reasons, possibly. Pre-legalisation, I used to get bud in from Cali - I've long believed the best outdoor grows come from that region, and I like outdoor grows! But the geography of the 'Golden Triangle' in Cali does offer the ideal growing environment - but with modern genetics close to hand (unlike more traditional growing regions). The sheer number of smokers/growers there also led to the early(ish) medical legalisation there, which also helped the scene. California deserves its reputation as the home of amazing cannabis - but certainly not everything from there is great these days (I suspect the black market here is largely their rejects!). Similarly, Amsterdam's been the home of modern genetics on this side of the ocean, with the coffeeshop scene encouraging at least a base level of quality.
UK bud doesn't have that same provenance. There are some famous cuts, sure - Exodus, Blues etc. But nothing else that implies any guarantee of quality. But, of course, with the same seeds and equipment, there's no reason UK bud couldn't theoretically compete with the best. Indeed, nearly all the best buds I've ever had have been UK grown. I'd never specifically choose Dutch over UK and I actively avoid marketed Cali in the UK (it's either fake, reject or over-priced!).
The one origin label that does prick my ears up is Canada. I believe their gear has a lot of the same advantages, but isn't exploited in the same way. If I want cheap, reliable quality, Canadian vendors top the charts. But for pristine high end, I stick with good growers of nice genetics in the UK.
There are also legacy reasons, possibly. Pre-legalisation, I used to get bud in from Cali - I've long believed the best outdoor grows come from that region, and I like outdoor grows! But the geography of the 'Golden Triangle' in Cali does offer the ideal growing environment - but with modern genetics close to hand (unlike more traditional growing regions). The sheer number of smokers/growers there also led to the early(ish) medical legalisation there, which also helped the scene. California deserves its reputation as the home of amazing cannabis - but certainly not everything from there is great these days (I suspect the black market here is largely their rejects!). Similarly, Amsterdam's been the home of modern genetics on this side of the ocean, with the coffeeshop scene encouraging at least a base level of quality.
UK bud doesn't have that same provenance. There are some famous cuts, sure - Exodus, Blues etc. But nothing else that implies any guarantee of quality. But, of course, with the same seeds and equipment, there's no reason UK bud couldn't theoretically compete with the best. Indeed, nearly all the best buds I've ever had have been UK grown. I'd never specifically choose Dutch over UK and I actively avoid marketed Cali in the UK (it's either fake, reject or over-priced!).
The one origin label that does prick my ears up is Canada. I believe their gear has a lot of the same advantages, but isn't exploited in the same way. If I want cheap, reliable quality, Canadian vendors top the charts. But for pristine high end, I stick with good growers of nice genetics in the UK.

Hi there. I really liked reading your post. You seem very knowledgeable. Would you be able to recommend good vendors on here? I’m knew and I’d appreciate the help.
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Cali is Cali, you know when its from Cali, its got that certain... thing.
UK Cali, is just a cali strain grown here in the UK.
I know many people who will only smoke Real Cali. And many who say its not worth the extra price tag.
Personally, smoke/price the UK Grown hold their own just as well, if the growers done a good job.
The UK Cali strains just switch the flavours up a little bit so your not smoking the same thing all the time, and you can rely on the strain being a decent one.
^^ Personal opinion.
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UK Cali, is just a cali strain grown here in the UK.
I know many people who will only smoke Real Cali. And many who say its not worth the extra price tag.
Personally, smoke/price the UK Grown hold their own just as well, if the growers done a good job.
The UK Cali strains just switch the flavours up a little bit so your not smoking the same thing all the time, and you can rely on the strain being a decent one.
^^ Personal opinion.
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I had alsorts of cali an tbf the only thing that's real good is how much they trim their leaves. but ive had just as good uk grown or in dam coffee shops so i think cali quality can be grown anywhere if you know how

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Theres a few facts about cali weed.

Maybe it's just that if someones done a truly excellent job of growing they will label it as Cali.
The Cali characteristics seem to be a really clean burn and very compact buds - which is amazing, but who knows where it was grown? All I know is, I've never come across harsh, unflushed or nutrient burned "Cali".
Another thing I've noticed is, I think the effort put into growing is way more important than what the strain is.
The Cali characteristics seem to be a really clean burn and very compact buds - which is amazing, but who knows where it was grown? All I know is, I've never come across harsh, unflushed or nutrient burned "Cali".
Another thing I've noticed is, I think the effort put into growing is way more important than what the strain is.

"Maybe it's just that if someones done a truly excellent job of growing they will label it as Cali."
Yes, unfortunately far too much of that.
Yes, unfortunately far too much of that.

Personally I think Cali and Dutch herb is better than UK weed and I’ve smoked a shit tonne of Dutch weed living there in the mid 00’s... why? Simply because it’s legal... you don’t have to rush, hide away, worry constantly, they’re doing it on a legal industrial scale so the equipment is better, they can invest in the newest and best equipment without fear of losing it all in a raid, purely and simply it’s investment that makes legal weed better.
Also a big factor is in the U.K. we have to buy what’s available if it’s shit it’s shit, wait and hope the next lot from your dealer is better, in legal countries it’s competition there is recourse for the product.... I had XXX weed from XXX grower and it was the bomb goes far and makes money, rather than I bought some banging weed off Gary in the dog and duck in Grimsby means fuck all unless you know Gary and live in Grimsby... accountability is the difference imo.
Can weed be grown as well in the UK as Cali or Dam... 100% it’s a seed it grows, no rocket science behind it or a special formula just freedom, time and equipment and experience.
Also a big factor is in the U.K. we have to buy what’s available if it’s shit it’s shit, wait and hope the next lot from your dealer is better, in legal countries it’s competition there is recourse for the product.... I had XXX weed from XXX grower and it was the bomb goes far and makes money, rather than I bought some banging weed off Gary in the dog and duck in Grimsby means fuck all unless you know Gary and live in Grimsby... accountability is the difference imo.
Can weed be grown as well in the UK as Cali or Dam... 100% it’s a seed it grows, no rocket science behind it or a special formula just freedom, time and equipment and experience.

100% mate, I DO believe there is some grade around that just couldn't be produced to that quality and volume in some cloak and dagger growhouse operation here.
I see a lot more coming from Canada, and there's been routes from Dam, Poland and elsewhere for green in as long as it's been here. However with the right genetics, knowledge and conditions I believe you can grow truly A*** green anywhere, just not sure you can do it on an industrial scale in a country that continues to throw so much of the law's resources to shutting them down.
As others have said the equipment used, testing, level of quality control, the manicured buds, the density, the quality, the taste...there is definitely something..different around, that never was before the "Cali" phase. Hype or otherwise.
Where it comes from I have no idea but there has been a huge change in the strength and amount that's around.
The problem I have is the grey area between what is genuine Top Shelf and what isn't. The marketing has muddied the waters and pushed up the price and cache of average weed that sparkles a bit.
Fact is no matter what, I draw the line somewhere. When we were kids it was 3.5 for 25 quid, last time I went to Dam it was €20 on the gram. I just will never reach to some of those levels and even on here you will see up to £70-80 a henry. Doesn't matter where it's grown, flown....budget dictates for me.
There has always been a top level, and as long as that reflects in the product we can all be happy.
I see a lot more coming from Canada, and there's been routes from Dam, Poland and elsewhere for green in as long as it's been here. However with the right genetics, knowledge and conditions I believe you can grow truly A*** green anywhere, just not sure you can do it on an industrial scale in a country that continues to throw so much of the law's resources to shutting them down.
As others have said the equipment used, testing, level of quality control, the manicured buds, the density, the quality, the taste...there is definitely something..different around, that never was before the "Cali" phase. Hype or otherwise.
Where it comes from I have no idea but there has been a huge change in the strength and amount that's around.
The problem I have is the grey area between what is genuine Top Shelf and what isn't. The marketing has muddied the waters and pushed up the price and cache of average weed that sparkles a bit.
Fact is no matter what, I draw the line somewhere. When we were kids it was 3.5 for 25 quid, last time I went to Dam it was €20 on the gram. I just will never reach to some of those levels and even on here you will see up to £70-80 a henry. Doesn't matter where it's grown, flown....budget dictates for me.
There has always been a top level, and as long as that reflects in the product we can all be happy.

I agree 100%. And if it is Cali weed, surely traveling and packaging would have caused some damage from compression and heat changes and sitting in plastic bags for possibly days on end. If u get from a grower direct and they grow well, other than it being tested and having label saying how much THC etc it should be as good or better. BUT as legal they have more chance to hunt phenos and share genetics so they do have that in their side. But most Cali is probably Albanian weed in a nice baggy lol

If you have the right seeds and know what you're doing then there shouldn't be much difference, that said a lot of uk weed is rushed without the proper flushing and drying due to the risk of loosing it all when you could sell it.

Couldn't agree more on that, but there a few excellent stealth setups in the UK bagging out great weed

there's a lot more science and consistancy in cali weed.. they've been able to study and learn the plant legally for last 20 odd years within the medical era with the correct resources therefore they have a lot more knowledge of what the plant requires and needs
any top shelf cali that has been packaged properly and licensed wouldve gone through testing too before hitting the shelves, to make sure there are no pesticides etc.
any top shelf cali that has been packaged properly and licensed wouldve gone through testing too before hitting the shelves, to make sure there are no pesticides etc.

I'm not convinced, yes they have been at it for ages, but so have the Dutch... and they still grow in the same manner as most.
Lights / good feed and a bit of TLC. Theres a case for using reverse osmosis water but it's not proven as it strips essential minerals out of the water, so they need to be re added.
The clue is in the name "weed" theres no magic science that only the guys in cali know of.
I get your point of consistency of environment but with the right resources, that isn't out of reach.
Have you seen large scale cali grows, they are similar to large scale grows all over the world.
Thanks for your input Hootan, always good to hear other peoples views
Lights / good feed and a bit of TLC. Theres a case for using reverse osmosis water but it's not proven as it strips essential minerals out of the water, so they need to be re added.
The clue is in the name "weed" theres no magic science that only the guys in cali know of.
I get your point of consistency of environment but with the right resources, that isn't out of reach.
Have you seen large scale cali grows, they are similar to large scale grows all over the world.
Thanks for your input Hootan, always good to hear other peoples views

its still illegal to grow weed in holland. they have to learn the plant in secret making it so much harder. also they grow recreational weed.. which is really just for the average consumer who doesnt care what they smoke aslong as they get their high. their tech in cali is far more advanced than any other place on the planet, and thats why their weed is the best.

What tech make it far more advanced than any other place on the planet? You know the UK grow tons of medical weed, and they grow just like the cali labs.
And you think the stuff that supposedly comes from these super advanced labs is the stuff we get in the UK... eventhough its illegal to ship it to the UK. Or is it at best, opportunist from cali growing in a warehouse in standard conditions and smuggling it into the UK.... or maybe it's not from cali.
Not trying to rub you up the wrong way, just chatting, but claiming it's the best because it's more advanced or that they've been doing it longer is marketing speil without substance.
And you think the stuff that supposedly comes from these super advanced labs is the stuff we get in the UK... eventhough its illegal to ship it to the UK. Or is it at best, opportunist from cali growing in a warehouse in standard conditions and smuggling it into the UK.... or maybe it's not from cali.
Not trying to rub you up the wrong way, just chatting, but claiming it's the best because it's more advanced or that they've been doing it longer is marketing speil without substance.

Anyway Hootan, it's good chatting with you, your products look ace.

In my very limited experience of what I have had/seen that has been sold as Cali is that it is always rock hard, dense bud that has been very decently trimmed and there is never any sugar leaf. Other than that...isn't it just really strong weed???
I have always asked myself what is it that Cali growers can do that UK growers supposedly can't?? It's all indoors so we should be able to replicate the exact same conditions anywhere in the world no? Admittedly it must be a lot easier to create/maintain a professional grow in a place where it is legal to do so but technique and equipment wise, aren't we all on a level playing field now?
Also, I still have the whole 'how long does it take to physically transport wholesale weed from California to here'...and how the hell could it possibly get to us in tip top condition??? Surely if it is legit from Cali, it is past it's best by the time it's taken weeks to get here getting battered about the whole time?...
I can't personally see why UK weed couldn't in theory be as good as anything grown anywhere in the world...unless I have missed something?
I have always asked myself what is it that Cali growers can do that UK growers supposedly can't?? It's all indoors so we should be able to replicate the exact same conditions anywhere in the world no? Admittedly it must be a lot easier to create/maintain a professional grow in a place where it is legal to do so but technique and equipment wise, aren't we all on a level playing field now?
Also, I still have the whole 'how long does it take to physically transport wholesale weed from California to here'...and how the hell could it possibly get to us in tip top condition??? Surely if it is legit from Cali, it is past it's best by the time it's taken weeks to get here getting battered about the whole time?...
I can't personally see why UK weed couldn't in theory be as good as anything grown anywhere in the world...unless I have missed something?

Yes, you raise some good points... smuggle cail weed to the UK by the ton in tins... or smuggle coke.
Theres a guy on Insta from London ( ish ) called "Slapsta designs " I think and the guy is churning out thousands of 3.5g bags, tins, glass pots etc. Not weed, just bag etc and it's getting bought and filled by UK guys with...... Cali weed, pull the other one, maybe its just good UK weed, or not so good
Theres a guy on Insta from London ( ish ) called "Slapsta designs " I think and the guy is churning out thousands of 3.5g bags, tins, glass pots etc. Not weed, just bag etc and it's getting bought and filled by UK guys with...... Cali weed, pull the other one, maybe its just good UK weed, or not so good

As you say what is being sold in the uk is very unlikely to be Cali weed just tins and hype.. But I lived in Netherlands for a while and visited there over the years, tried stuff all over.. Definitely in Amsterdam theres some not so good not properly cured weed for tourists but then at the same time I tried Barneys g13 haze the year it won the cup and it was soooo strong beautifully cured etc.. Never smoked anything like it in the uk or elsewhere in europe weed wise.. The thing about a dutch setup is that they have been growing and keeping mothers since the late 70s if I m correct.. From my experience with seeds it s very dependent on a variety of factors for example i ve never come across good seeds from greenhouse seeds.. Also it really is in the genes so the dutch and the calis can keep the best clones for years.. The amazing thing about Cali and the uk to a certain extent was that they shared the clones whereas in the netherlands there was little sharing as far as I m aware.. re the setups in cali now they can spend huge money on systems without fear of everything being taken away (indoors) whereas in the Netherlands it was never legal only tolerated... In the uk its definitely harder to get away with the growing than netherlands and youll have bigger probs with the law.. In theory with the right mama, the know how and the right equipment you could grow equally as good pot as cali indoors.. But outdoors obviously some if not nearly all strains grow better in Cali.. The thing about Cali also is that so many strains originate from there, there has been such a big grow culture there since the 70s with the back to landers in n cali.. strains like the Haze strains are from 2 brothers (the Haze brothers) and skunk from skunkman sam etc etc the list goes on and on..Nice to see a good ol civilised chat on here.. I just came across this site as I ve been looking for some nice to quality hash.. I used to use dreammarket then nightmare and they exit scammed .. I found a few vendors on dream that sold excellent quality hash very reasonable top grade for approx 280 euro an oz.. when nightmare exited new sites popped up n I went to top rated vendors and bought numerous very nice looking smelling tasting stuff with unoticeable amount of thc so i stopped for last 9 months r year .. I thought i d try again and I found this site .. Has anyone any recommendations for any vendors here for hq hash ? only interested in potent to very potent , long time smoker here.. Thanks peace out

There is a website think it's called calipacks.co.uk got all the bags tins and tubs on there with customizable labels ect!
I have never trusted the bags or tins in the uk they just never seemed legit just another gimmick to double the price of decent bud
I have never trusted the bags or tins in the uk they just never seemed legit just another gimmick to double the price of decent bud

I agree, I've seen plenty for sale on here in the same packaging that's on ebay. If it was from the US it would be compressed into bricks, not loose in tins of 3.5g.

Exactly! Makes no sense to me that any serious smuggler would choose to move weed from California to the UK! Talk about hassle... Coke, meth, anything else moves easier with bigger profit... boggles my mind that people can import wholesale Cali weed in this day and age...
Also, yeah... just go to Calipacks UK on the net and you really do start to question a lot of things....
Also, yeah... just go to Calipacks UK on the net and you really do start to question a lot of things....

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CHEESE!!! PLEASE!!! :)
Drugs Inc have Dairy Queen at the moment IIRC... n…
CHEESE!!! PLEASE!!! :)
Does UK Cheese even make it onto LB? Or Blue Cheese?? Cheers

Not sure how old this post is but i have some uk cheese on the way should be posted later Cheers UKDD

I've got 2 medium sized Arjans Cheese in week 6 flower. So in about 7/8 weeks they will be ready to smoke.
Hope that helps
Hope that helps

Nice one! :)

You won't find them it's mainly autoflowers that are cheese it will never be the same again I don't think

Drugs Inc have Dairy Queen at the moment IIRC... not tried it from them, but that's a lovely strain when done right. And very cheesey ;)

No cheese or white widow currently. Not 100% sure on the correct vendor but there's a guy on here with a grow of exodus cheese on the go at the moment which will be ready in January. Think the vendor is NothernOrganics but someone else might be able to correct me.
Edit: The vendor is indeed Northern Organics. I've linked his page. Might be worth sending him a message see if he can notify you when the cheese is ready.
Edit: The vendor is indeed Northern Organics. I've linked his page. Might be worth sending him a message see if he can notify you when the cheese is ready.

I want some nostalgia too. Big up the ched

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what if we let the boomers die?
I disagree strongly with the war comparison - that…
what if we let the boomers die?
just playing devil's advocate here literally. and I know there's a zillion boomers right here on lb.
but we are shutting down the planet, this is the largest mutual effort in history. the only thing that compares is oddly enough, war.
in war old leaders decide to send young people to their death, wiping them out and their many potential offspring. yet the old are especially protected. this doesn't make sense in any societal or evolutionary way it just serves the self interest of the old - who happen to be the rulers calling this shot.
now the young are called up again, in history's largest timeout they will lose finances, jobs and sanity as they are terrified into submission to save .0001 of the population, nearly all of who will die from other causes within a few years.
im not really advocating we let anyone die, i am happy to sacrifice for them further than this but lets call this what it is, the story that is always hidden. self interest from the ruling class.
but we are shutting down the planet, this is the largest mutual effort in history. the only thing that compares is oddly enough, war.
in war old leaders decide to send young people to their death, wiping them out and their many potential offspring. yet the old are especially protected. this doesn't make sense in any societal or evolutionary way it just serves the self interest of the old - who happen to be the rulers calling this shot.
now the young are called up again, in history's largest timeout they will lose finances, jobs and sanity as they are terrified into submission to save .0001 of the population, nearly all of who will die from other causes within a few years.
im not really advocating we let anyone die, i am happy to sacrifice for them further than this but lets call this what it is, the story that is always hidden. self interest from the ruling class.

as a 51yr old father of 11yr old twins (one boy, one girl), and reflecting on how I have myself matured (lack of!) I can honestly offer an opinion that humans may be physically capable of sexual reproduction early mid/teens, but that doesn't make them adults. Likewise 20s and even early 30s. I was a selfish prat right up to having kids. Having kids completely changes your priorities and outlook, including CONFIRMING that kids are, literally, the future. So you're right about preserving the future for younger generations. BUT if adults don't become adults (really!) until they have kids, and human kids can't look after themselves, and anyway don't mature mentally til they have kids, we come full circle, that is why you need 2 generations minimum at the same time. HTH!

There are elements that are particularly cruel for young generations that have been caused by the benefits enjoyed by older generations. Retirement / pension age is the first to mind. We all retire later if at all because they fucked the pension pot for those claiming now. Housing and land are impossible to buy at reasonable prices, because the older generation owns it all. Wealth disparity grows with extended lifespans, as the elderly hold onto it instead of spending it. But these issues are not the fault of those older generations, but the governments modus operandi of dealing the better cards in the deck to those who can vote at the time and have money. Who cares about the generations that can't support government agendas right now? No one is the answer, and it has resulted in a shit deal for the young that will only get worse as time goes on.

Logan's Run will always get an upvote from this bigga.

I believe I am generation X but I will react anyway. It is an interesting discussion and I understand the thought behind it. The biggest issue I have with your statement is: what makes you think that older generations are not impacted by lock downs or other measures against the virus? Like we are all sipping whisky at our 2nd vacation homes. Your generation or any other is not sacrificing more then any other generation. Much love to you all

Believe it, at least the buzz part.

I don't want my parents to die any more than I want anyone else's, but the quality of life for the young is clearly being sacrificed again for the most protected generation that ever lived.

I'm not old (38) and I very nearly got axed by COVID. I don't have a pre existing condition. It's worth considering that many young or younger people with pre-existing conditions are at high risk, as are the disabled and many mentally ill people. The structures of society also make sure that the poor are disproportionatily affected. So, what you're proposing, hypothetical or not, is a cull on the people in society who most need our support. And, I would add, people who add a huge amount of value to our societies. I am as annoyed by how our 'era' turned out as anyone, but putting boomers to death for the greater good? C'mon. Besides, the ruling class are not all old - they have children, who will inherit. Killing old (rich) people would do nothing for society. Advocating that other (poor) people's parents and grandparents have had their time is basically inhuman, or at least profoundly lacking in empathy.

Glad you are ok bigga and your message is hella important. Can I ask do you think there was a better way to handle this? Are you happy with the whole world shutting down to protect you?
love and respect
love and respect

"happy" ??? what an awful, miscalculated question.

Kind of irrelevant IMO because as a species we are all doomed anyway, which I'm OK with, but it's shame we're going to take most of the biosphere with us though, as it's really no fault of theirs. We are species out of control and one which is destroying it's environment. The planet will be much better of without us humans stinking up the place!

here's what im thinking, as long as when i'm burned for fuel a billion years from now there's this little bit of thc somehow left there all that time. and it says thanks, yeah, thanks, THANKS.

I disagree strongly with the war comparison - that's not an example of a mutual effort, but the opposite: it's an example of large scale confrontation. People were called up to defend/attack from other people. MILLIONS of people died over YEARS.
This is a public health crisis, not a war. And the young haven't been called up, keyworkers, carers and health staff have. When I've been out and about with my family, it's fairly clear that the younger generations are the least bothered by what's going on, and aren't necessarily abiding by the guidelines to any effective degree.
And sadly, I don't think this is even something defined by the self interest of the ruling class. I think it's exposed the current ruling class is about as clueless as it ever had been. Johnson's flabby ensemble of random wankers have never at any point been good leaders. They got there off the back of a dishonest, divisionary Brexit campaign based on some entirely different agenda. They now have absolutely no idea what they're doing.
Hopefully it will serve as a reminder to humanity that if a democracy is to succeed, you can only back honest, able and skilled statesmen. Anyone less means we're fucked if there's any deviation from their intended narrative.
I don't blame anyone in this scenario. It's a collective human failure that it escalated to this scale. What I think matters now is the outlook, vision and ability of the leaders that might rebuild for the future. In 2019, world leadership probably never looked so weak... in the entirety of human history. And in the UK, we've currently got one of the most inept setups. BUT. Look at Starmer circling, look what we need to overcome, look what we want to build.
Give it a year or two and I think HOPE will be a usable word again. The Johnson/Trump/Bullshit breed need to move aside.
This is a public health crisis, not a war. And the young haven't been called up, keyworkers, carers and health staff have. When I've been out and about with my family, it's fairly clear that the younger generations are the least bothered by what's going on, and aren't necessarily abiding by the guidelines to any effective degree.
And sadly, I don't think this is even something defined by the self interest of the ruling class. I think it's exposed the current ruling class is about as clueless as it ever had been. Johnson's flabby ensemble of random wankers have never at any point been good leaders. They got there off the back of a dishonest, divisionary Brexit campaign based on some entirely different agenda. They now have absolutely no idea what they're doing.
Hopefully it will serve as a reminder to humanity that if a democracy is to succeed, you can only back honest, able and skilled statesmen. Anyone less means we're fucked if there's any deviation from their intended narrative.
I don't blame anyone in this scenario. It's a collective human failure that it escalated to this scale. What I think matters now is the outlook, vision and ability of the leaders that might rebuild for the future. In 2019, world leadership probably never looked so weak... in the entirety of human history. And in the UK, we've currently got one of the most inept setups. BUT. Look at Starmer circling, look what we need to overcome, look what we want to build.
Give it a year or two and I think HOPE will be a usable word again. The Johnson/Trump/Bullshit breed need to move aside.

Yes but the fact that people are even looking to politicians in an era of science, free flow of information and consensus building media - why the fuck do we still have the twats?

agree somewhat, the damage to economy is going to kill tens of thousands alone, potentially more than would be lost to Covid, but perhaps not (Not an expert by any means). I invite people to look at how many people died on average each 2010-2015 due to austerity measures and debt. Suicides will go up to.



You'll have to send out the nurse on the Segway and take my teeth away!



it's just their point in the cycle. the saddest part is that they think they're enlightened when they're actually browbeaten hippy-child retards.

I know my case is extreme, but its not just old people who need protecting. My son is 2 years old and immunocompromised from chemotherapy. I don't fully believe in the lockdown but it is a bit more assuring for me that it isn't running rampant out there.

You definitely have a point.
The approach of "us-versus-them' is in fact a very European way of dealing with matters.
Indifference to social position, and consequently, acceptance of one's social status no matter what it is, became somehow a doctrine and a duty in the current world (if we are honest to ourselves): it is really the ideal philosophy, an ideological superstructure adequate to peacefully govern our world, conquered with its own consent.
'The old" send "the young" to wars. Because, "the young" (well, all ages really) willingly accept, for example, army duty.
It is only natural, that in current situation, "the young" are contemplating 'retaliation'. :)
I think, the value of a human life became something very insignificant.
Young people wait on the old to die in retirement homes, old are upset with the young, that they show no respect, etc.
A vicious circle.
And we do not really value human life, because we do not understand the concept of self-worth.
Which is nowadays confused with 'pouvoir d'achat', like they say in french (ability to buy). Just look at who the majority of humans are looking up to (movie stars, ufc fighters, etc.)
The thing is, we are never independent or self-made, and we all hopefully will be old one day too. So what connects old and young is gratitude.
No life is more important than another, whether it is an old life or a young one.
And no ideology or state will defend this point at all times, speaking sociologically or/and economically. It is self-damaging to an ideology or a state.
Should we or should we not do this or that? I don't know. Each individual should decide for himself.
I know that generalising (oh those olds, oh those youngs, oh those russians, oh those arabs, oh those french, oh those - would be an insult to my own intelligence.
A boomer is different from another boomer. And i am a survivor and want my children to be survivors too.
I may be never be in a position where i can decide on a broader scale of "should we or should we not".
But i can decide on my personal level and i just value life more than i value my ego.
Here is my humble opinion.
Thank you for being brave and raising this point.
It is important to discuss without fear to offend.
That is what freedom of speech is no?
The approach of "us-versus-them' is in fact a very European way of dealing with matters.
Indifference to social position, and consequently, acceptance of one's social status no matter what it is, became somehow a doctrine and a duty in the current world (if we are honest to ourselves): it is really the ideal philosophy, an ideological superstructure adequate to peacefully govern our world, conquered with its own consent.
'The old" send "the young" to wars. Because, "the young" (well, all ages really) willingly accept, for example, army duty.
It is only natural, that in current situation, "the young" are contemplating 'retaliation'. :)
I think, the value of a human life became something very insignificant.
Young people wait on the old to die in retirement homes, old are upset with the young, that they show no respect, etc.
A vicious circle.
And we do not really value human life, because we do not understand the concept of self-worth.
Which is nowadays confused with 'pouvoir d'achat', like they say in french (ability to buy). Just look at who the majority of humans are looking up to (movie stars, ufc fighters, etc.)
The thing is, we are never independent or self-made, and we all hopefully will be old one day too. So what connects old and young is gratitude.
No life is more important than another, whether it is an old life or a young one.
And no ideology or state will defend this point at all times, speaking sociologically or/and economically. It is self-damaging to an ideology or a state.
Should we or should we not do this or that? I don't know. Each individual should decide for himself.
I know that generalising (oh those olds, oh those youngs, oh those russians, oh those arabs, oh those french, oh those - would be an insult to my own intelligence.
A boomer is different from another boomer. And i am a survivor and want my children to be survivors too.
I may be never be in a position where i can decide on a broader scale of "should we or should we not".
But i can decide on my personal level and i just value life more than i value my ego.
Here is my humble opinion.
Thank you for being brave and raising this point.
It is important to discuss without fear to offend.
That is what freedom of speech is no?

Very thoughtful post (what a pleasure to read this instead of another sycophantic review), thank you for it my bigga.
I'm going to differ on one point. I think the perceived value of life is heading up and pretty much always has.
We are in the midst of the greatest human sacrifice for the least number of lives (in relative terms) ever.
Today's wars kill fewer in total than we lost in a week in WW1 or 2.
Murder rates are way down compared to history.
The financial investment made to squeeze out a few more years is more substantial than even our most recent ancestors could ever imagine.
There's lots more stats like this, they are hard to see when media profits from perceived conflict and makes everything look cataclysmic to get your attention.
I'm going to differ on one point. I think the perceived value of life is heading up and pretty much always has.
We are in the midst of the greatest human sacrifice for the least number of lives (in relative terms) ever.
Today's wars kill fewer in total than we lost in a week in WW1 or 2.
Murder rates are way down compared to history.
The financial investment made to squeeze out a few more years is more substantial than even our most recent ancestors could ever imagine.
There's lots more stats like this, they are hard to see when media profits from perceived conflict and makes everything look cataclysmic to get your attention.

Interesting read here

It is an interesting read. A prospective.
But, I believe what i see and I see a lot of tragedy.
But, I believe what i see and I see a lot of tragedy.

Im in the self employed bracket its truly shit but i think society will come out of this better on the whole

I am in the same boat and i like your positive outlook.
"Have no fear for atomic energy
'Cause none of them can stop the time" - right?
We should also come out of this with as less damage and casualties as possible.
Been self-employed throughout 3 different continents and over a decade already and self-employed equals survivor to me at this point.
"Have no fear for atomic energy
'Cause none of them can stop the time" - right?
We should also come out of this with as less damage and casualties as possible.
Been self-employed throughout 3 different continents and over a decade already and self-employed equals survivor to me at this point.

What if we just quarantine the old baby boomers and give them priority at hospitals, that way the rest of us can keep the world going and contsruct what they need.

I am sorry to read that.
Is being self-employed an option?
Is being self-employed an option?

I was self employed hehe
I was in that small percentage who got no help lol and im sure i speak for many...
Unless i change my services...im hoping it blows over soon
Stay safe Vik
I was in that small percentage who got no help lol and im sure i speak for many...
Unless i change my services...im hoping it blows over soon
Stay safe Vik

I see.
My family at the moment is throwing punches at the state mechanisms of supporting struggling businesses - we apparently fall into a category of self-employed families with children.
It's been already more than a month of letters' skirmish haha
My family at the moment is throwing punches at the state mechanisms of supporting struggling businesses - we apparently fall into a category of self-employed families with children.
It's been already more than a month of letters' skirmish haha

Me too.
But i try to think of stress like of sore muscles after a workout. Eventually you surpass it and get used to it.
Sexretary is a good idea!
But i try to think of stress like of sore muscles after a workout. Eventually you surpass it and get used to it.
Sexretary is a good idea!

sorry for the typo. - secretary

Me too. My industry was among the first to go, About 2 weeks before lock down got told to stay at home no income... Now im out of a job completely.

It’s fucked up isn’t it, I’m in that small percentage of self employed who ain’t getting jack shit...I’d work tomorrow but not many want people in there houses now
We can only hope that this flys by and we can get back to work
Some sectors have increased in number of available positions, maybe worth looking into those sectors to get some work for the mean time
We can only hope that this flys by and we can get back to work
Some sectors have increased in number of available positions, maybe worth looking into those sectors to get some work for the mean time

It is survival time at the moment. I like your attitude.

Holiday - strategising and regrouping time!

It does seem if we were a little more honest about this we might come up with a better solution than locking everyone up.

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Wow $106. For 2 Grams!!!!
We have seen the prices for import, fella. And tha…
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Wow $106. For 2 Grams!!!!
Wow MKK2020.. Do my Eyes Decieve Me..actually $106 for just to Grams..it may be cali!!!.but that way pricey for a days use..$53 a gram .ud get half decent coke for that lol!!!!..just my opinion guys dont take it Wrong way:-)))..have a good Evening all!!!

This place is getting a joke with prices. The oldies are still standard priced but I feel a few are ripping the arse out of it. I found a site recently and all the good guys from here are on it DINC, TGT and Radar breader are all there a lot of the time 20% cheaper. All I need is ULC and TGT to move over ther and I will be like a pig in shit. I’m not going to compromise my account here by saying the name but do your research. Loads of good connects for the exact same bars on here that are getting sold at crazy prices.

Meant ULC andTGD I know there are a lot of new guys on here but those I have listed have all seen me well and I would highly recommend them all.

I’m just saying, that If you zoom in on the pics of the buds And see those white blobs or spots on the bud, then 90% of the time it’ll be mould!
I’m not having a dig at your products, I’m just stating a fact and something I can see!
Hopefully you can move this on fast and put your own strains up as I have heard nothing but good reviews about you!
I’m not having a dig at your products, I’m just stating a fact and something I can see!
Hopefully you can move this on fast and put your own strains up as I have heard nothing but good reviews about you!

Yo ringo how you doing mate!!!! Had a look at the pictures of buds..to be honest mate im not an expert.but I cant see MK2020 ..selling $93 Cali Weed thats Moldy no way.. What so ever..no vendor would Charge that amount for 2grams and put moldy buds on list..but if u the expert mate.its your own opinion fair enough:-)..when someone reviews it ?will get there opinion !!!
