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Where's the new high grade vendor gone?
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Where's the new high grade vendor gone?
I vaguely recall seeing some excitement about a certain London Caviar joining the LB crowd? I can't find the threads any more though; this site's basically impossible to navigate. But... where you gone LC?
Sitting on bitcoins in some volatile times, are we gonna get a glimpse of a menu anytime soon ;)
Cheers, ta very much and etc.
Sitting on bitcoins in some volatile times, are we gonna get a glimpse of a menu anytime soon ;)
Cheers, ta very much and etc.
Yeah man, I asked the same question yesterday but my thread seems to have been put on silent and hasn’t shown up anywhere. I did comment on their page but when I follow all old links to it it’s gone... it’s all like it never was?!!
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Anyone remember purple brick weed?
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Anyone remember purple brick weed?
All through the 90s I always saw bits of purple brick weed floating round this time of year. I think it was Dutch outdoor grown usually - Purple Power, or similar strains. It was sometimes almost black in colour and had a particularly zesty but earthy flavour. I used to love the stuff... was such a seasonal thing it just reminds me of fireworks and bonfires.
Anyone ever seen it for sale in the last few years? Or is it just another relatively low potency product that's now fallen out of favour?
Would love to grab a bit of that again, for old time's sake
Anyone ever seen it for sale in the last few years? Or is it just another relatively low potency product that's now fallen out of favour?
Would love to grab a bit of that again, for old time's sake
I'd say you're right on the purple power. I had some frisian dew last grow and it was very similar to this! No purple though, that's achieved outdoors in the cold.
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Tiny Might vaporizer
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Tiny Might vaporizer
This is a very new device, coming from a small independent manufacturer in Finland. But it's a bit of a game changer. It hits harder than a Mighty, if not as hard as a Flowerpot... and it does so on demand, in an instant. And it has adjustable capacity, so you can load as little or as much as you like. And it's tiny. And it has user-replaceable batteries (so you can carry spares, meaning this is as portable as it gets). Plus it looks prettier than every other mainstream vape device. I cannot recommend it highly enough. Performance is absolutely top-notch, and it's the most attractive and practical vape I've ever owned. It's instantly become my favourite herb vape by some margin.
can someone please sell this shit on little biggy i dont want to deal with privacy, credit cards or mistrust i just want to hear what my biggaz have to say and click.
A handheld will never ever hit as hard as a flower pot, harsher maybe but as hard not possible for many many reasons.
Does it have a restrictive draw? Currently have an Arizer Solo 2 and my one and only complaint is the restrictive draw (I understand why it's like that, but would like it not to be if you know what I mean?)
The restrictive draw is horrendous for me, lovely device it it works for you but after my flowerpot’s free flow I just couldn’t go back to the Solo because of the draw, line milkshake through a straw, but for some it’s it’s biggest draw I guess, just not for me.
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Cannabis legalisation UK
It's not a vote-winner in the UK, unfortunately. There's very little political motivation to legalise. Even though broad sentiment towards cannabis in…
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Cannabis legalisation UK
So... I'm sure this topic predates my membership of LB, but I'm surprised at how rarely it seems to come up.
This has got to be one of the biggest communities of cannabis users & cultivators in the UK; surely we are best placed to mobilise and push the legalisation agenda?
Are there any activists out there? What can we do to help? There is an election on the horizon - is this not a vote-winner?
This has got to be one of the biggest communities of cannabis users & cultivators in the UK; surely we are best placed to mobilise and push the legalisation agenda?
Are there any activists out there? What can we do to help? There is an election on the horizon - is this not a vote-winner?
I obviously have skin in the game so my opinion may be biased, but i would be careful what you wish for in terms of legalisation.
In the states in many cases large corporations are squeezing smaller artisan growers out of the business. Once these corporations gain the majority market share inevitably (as always happens in these cases) the price goes up and the quality goes down. Not to mention the taxes the government will put on weed, which will be astronomical.
Eventually a 'grey' market is created where registered growers sell directly to customers rather than to dispensaries, which is essentially what already exists on here. The difference is that sellers on here could easily raise their prices if the 'legal' weed is hyper expensive due to taxes and corporate profits.
If you want to watch a documentary which covers this subject, along with many others, try ‘Murder Mountain’ on Netflix. It’s fantastic. There’s one particular episode that goes into detail about the legalisation process, the beurocracy and red tape that comes with it, how it negatively affects growers in Humbolt County, and eventually negatively impacts consumers.
Bottom line is nothing good ever comes from multinational businesses getting their teeth into things like cannabis, which as sure as the nose on my face they will if it becomes fully legal. Next thing you know people will be buying shitty weed from the Apple Store for £100 a gram.
Just my 2p though, I could be wrong.
Cheers. BB
In the states in many cases large corporations are squeezing smaller artisan growers out of the business. Once these corporations gain the majority market share inevitably (as always happens in these cases) the price goes up and the quality goes down. Not to mention the taxes the government will put on weed, which will be astronomical.
Eventually a 'grey' market is created where registered growers sell directly to customers rather than to dispensaries, which is essentially what already exists on here. The difference is that sellers on here could easily raise their prices if the 'legal' weed is hyper expensive due to taxes and corporate profits.
If you want to watch a documentary which covers this subject, along with many others, try ‘Murder Mountain’ on Netflix. It’s fantastic. There’s one particular episode that goes into detail about the legalisation process, the beurocracy and red tape that comes with it, how it negatively affects growers in Humbolt County, and eventually negatively impacts consumers.
Bottom line is nothing good ever comes from multinational businesses getting their teeth into things like cannabis, which as sure as the nose on my face they will if it becomes fully legal. Next thing you know people will be buying shitty weed from the Apple Store for £100 a gram.
Just my 2p though, I could be wrong.
Cheers. BB
yep, i went down the rabbit hole of documentaries re the various legal sates in the US and Canada and it looks pretty shit, strangely, especially from a Brit. Tbh as long as RM don't join the striking community I'm good having the postie deliver my illegal weed from here, from 'non apple types' .....
I'm sure the inner workings of the US industry are shit, but I personally had a great time going around all the dispensaries in California! It's hard to deny that they're pushing the standard of modern phenotypes to whole new level.
RM preparing to vote for strike action I am afraid! Would be one day only, and you should be supporting striking workers standing up against big business
Im now a legal patient who has THC flower prescribed and it’s fucking brilliant. The flower isn’t best I’ve had but believe me I’ve had a lot worse.
If we were to stand together and legalise then my advice would be to jump through the legal hoops and all become patients, however like BB said, we might ruin everything that we hold dear.
If you would like more info on how to become legal then please feel free to DM at any time.
If we were to stand together and legalise then my advice would be to jump through the legal hoops and all become patients, however like BB said, we might ruin everything that we hold dear.
If you would like more info on how to become legal then please feel free to DM at any time.
Enjoyed reading this!
Personally, I think there is plenty of room for dual markets - i.e. artisanal & mass market - like with most consumables. Quality is always going to come at a premium, with or without prohibition. The UK is much smaller & left-leaning than the States so things like grower collectives could be much easier to organise. Tax is one of the best arguments for legalisation in my opinion... imagine modernising the social care system with all that revenue!
I think your point about grey markets is well made, I can imagine a situation where incredibly restrictive laws are put in place to stop grassroots marketplaces like LB existing. That would be something to avoid. Perhaps a more coffee shop style system would be better than dispensaries? i.e. 'from farm-to-table', but for weed?
I watched Murder Mountain a while back; again, I wonder if those American-style problems would find their way here? Jury's out!
I say leave kids to their shitty disposable vapes & let the grown-ups use up all the good stuff! There are big things at stake; standardised dosage (how much is too much?), international trade (Afghanistan can't sell one of their biggest crops!), reducing the prison population overnight etc.
I don't think you're wrong at all - I think these are the sorts of discussions that need to happen, and LB is the right place for it! 'The Reddit for British cannabis culture': has a ring to it!
All the best!
Personally, I think there is plenty of room for dual markets - i.e. artisanal & mass market - like with most consumables. Quality is always going to come at a premium, with or without prohibition. The UK is much smaller & left-leaning than the States so things like grower collectives could be much easier to organise. Tax is one of the best arguments for legalisation in my opinion... imagine modernising the social care system with all that revenue!
I think your point about grey markets is well made, I can imagine a situation where incredibly restrictive laws are put in place to stop grassroots marketplaces like LB existing. That would be something to avoid. Perhaps a more coffee shop style system would be better than dispensaries? i.e. 'from farm-to-table', but for weed?
I watched Murder Mountain a while back; again, I wonder if those American-style problems would find their way here? Jury's out!
I say leave kids to their shitty disposable vapes & let the grown-ups use up all the good stuff! There are big things at stake; standardised dosage (how much is too much?), international trade (Afghanistan can't sell one of their biggest crops!), reducing the prison population overnight etc.
I don't think you're wrong at all - I think these are the sorts of discussions that need to happen, and LB is the right place for it! 'The Reddit for British cannabis culture': has a ring to it!
All the best!
i respect what you are saying but on a base level it disgusts me that we plead with anyone for what we as human beings wish to do harmlessly, like they own us somehow.
taking real action with like minded people, building a community with better commercial behavior than what the law enforces and controlling my identity and privacy, i'd rather be a bigga than a beggar.
taking real action with like minded people, building a community with better commercial behavior than what the law enforces and controlling my identity and privacy, i'd rather be a bigga than a beggar.
Point very well made. I agree on a personal level, but it's hard to ignore the negative impact prohibition has on wider society. I worked a teaching role a few years ago and sniffer dogs were ready at the entrance to bust kids! Made me so angry. Surely that approach to weed (of all things!) has to end!?
I got sniffed so much - smell clings to leather shoes, phone case etc - that they gave me a sort of amnesty, probably because I was clearly sober at work. The kids thought it was hilarious!
I got sniffed so much - smell clings to leather shoes, phone case etc - that they gave me a sort of amnesty, probably because I was clearly sober at work. The kids thought it was hilarious!
It's not a vote-winner in the UK, unfortunately. There's very little political motivation to legalise. Even though broad sentiment towards cannabis in the UK is tolerant, it might lose some votes for the Tories - and Starmer doesn't support legalisation. Sadiq Khan's the only one taking an interest.
That might be a good thing. If Sadiq Khan pushes for legalisation/liberalisation in London, we could end up with that happy medium of 'official tolerance'. We all want to be able to smoke openly/socially and have nice places to do so.
The only other impetus behind legalisation is economic. And that's something the current Tory lot might be very open to. Sadly, I think that's how it would happen if it does anytime soon. And then, like @British Bulldog says, the whole scene will get whack-a-moled with corporate hammers.
That might be a good thing. If Sadiq Khan pushes for legalisation/liberalisation in London, we could end up with that happy medium of 'official tolerance'. We all want to be able to smoke openly/socially and have nice places to do so.
The only other impetus behind legalisation is economic. And that's something the current Tory lot might be very open to. Sadly, I think that's how it would happen if it does anytime soon. And then, like @British Bulldog says, the whole scene will get whack-a-moled with corporate hammers.
"...we could end up with that happy medium of 'official tolerance'. We all want to be able to smoke openly/socially and have nice places to do so."
Good point well made i agree with that 100%.
Cheers. BB
Good point well made i agree with that 100%.
Cheers. BB
https://twitter.com/lbc/status/1483006601850236932?lang=en
Even for Starmer this was impressively shit. The caller made an excellent point as well.
Even for Starmer this was impressively shit. The caller made an excellent point as well.
Imo if we all worked together and smoked weed as often as possible outside police stations then they would have to stop arresting people. Otherwise they won’t have time for anything else;)
I had that exact thought last week! Imagine if the millions of cannabis smokers engaged in mass civil disobedience... Kind of like what happens in London every 4/20, except every weekend.
This is a market place. Plenty of sites for activists of all types elsewhere
Although,to be honest,there isn't a good legalization organization in the UK.
Hell, weeds virtually de facto decriminalized anyway
Although,to be honest,there isn't a good legalization organization in the UK.
Hell, weeds virtually de facto decriminalized anyway
I respectfully disagree. There are plenty of marketplaces out there, none of them have an active forum - let alone one as active as this. The userbase on here dwarfs any legalisation group out there.
Agreed there is no coherent legalisation movement in the UK - exactly why I posted this topic!
Agreed there is no coherent legalisation movement in the UK - exactly why I posted this topic!
To me it’s fucking ironic the U.K. is the largest producer of medical cannabis in the world yet it’s not legal, not even decriminalised. I honestly can’t believe the greedy bastards haven’t cottoned onto the tax angle of it yet, seems a total no brainer to me, the police are begging for it, the tax revenue left on the table is ridiculous, the jobs it would create. It’ll happen I have zero doubts but it’s the U.K. everything works at a snails pace in this regard, but I believe it’s happen fast when it does happen, first decriminalisation will suddenly happen then fully legality and weed shops will follow very soon after. Imo it could have been the UK’s real hook but as usual the powers that be miss a trick.
Totally agree, a whole new source of revenue potentially worth billions. The conversation always stagnates when it's simply about wealth distribution vs austerity... so many holes in public spending could be plugged virtually overnight.
I see many petitions on direct gov about cannabis legalisation but not many people vote for it?
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What Exactly Does 420 Symbolize?
420 degrees F is the maximum temperature at which you can vaporize THC. I appreciate the 4/20 tradition might have come before vaping facts became kno…
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What Exactly Does 420 Symbolize?
Is it a date is it a time I've never heard a straight story.
It was police code for marijuana-specific calls on police radio channels (*in the US). It was changed for obvious reasons many years ago By the time it was changed, 420 was already synonymous with marijuana all over the world. Same goes for rap music..."get caught up on a 187" and "slipped and judge slapped em with a 311" with 187 being police code for murder and 311 being code for robbery.The codes are all probably different now since the person sharing this with me was a retired judge/ ex-police officer and he was talking about all this like it was from a loooong time ago. Anything but that meaning is a madeup story by some stoned kid who probably had a persuasive way of telling stories. Oh btw, Haight Ashbury has that time there because it means pot, not because they started it. They have gay flags everywhere...did the rainbow flag originate from there too? I love hearinng all the creative BS people were told and regurgitated. Grateful Dead's address? Hahaha...awesome!
yep. this is the right explanation. so wierd how a police code has become a worldwide thing! ??????
Seems a popular opinion is a group of teens in cali, kinda cool not sure though but fashion in languages is fascinating. Jive Turkeys......
https://hellogiggles.com/news/420-meaning/
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/bja598/the-story-behind-every-potheads-favorite-number-420
http://time.com/4292844/420-april-20-marijuana-pot-holiday-history/
Peace! :)
https://hellogiggles.com/news/420-meaning/
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/bja598/the-story-behind-every-potheads-favorite-number-420
http://time.com/4292844/420-april-20-marijuana-pot-holiday-history/
Peace! :)
According to Oxford University Press...
'The real story involves two friends, Steve Capper and Dave Reddix, who bonded over smoking pot in high school during the early 1970's. One day, they heard about a field of marijuana near a Coast Guard base where they were told they could pick as much as they wanted. With a map in hand, they went searching after school for the magical field of marijuana. Every day, they met under a statue of Louis Pasteur at 4:20.
"And we'd remind each other in the hallway that we were going to meet at Louis at 4:20. So we'd look each other as we passed by and we'd go, '4:20 Louis.' You always smiled when you said it, it was kind of a knowing smile. But eventually the Louis dropped," '
'The real story involves two friends, Steve Capper and Dave Reddix, who bonded over smoking pot in high school during the early 1970's. One day, they heard about a field of marijuana near a Coast Guard base where they were told they could pick as much as they wanted. With a map in hand, they went searching after school for the magical field of marijuana. Every day, they met under a statue of Louis Pasteur at 4:20.
"And we'd remind each other in the hallway that we were going to meet at Louis at 4:20. So we'd look each other as we passed by and we'd go, '4:20 Louis.' You always smiled when you said it, it was kind of a knowing smile. But eventually the Louis dropped," '
Yup, 4:20 is a time and not a date. It signifies the end of the school day within the Californian state education system during the 70's. It's basically the time folk meet up and have some fun... fo'twenny!
Always thought it was based on a indoors vegetative lighting grow schedule.
As in 4 hours darkness, 20 hours light = 420
As in 4 hours darkness, 20 hours light = 420
That depends if its PM or AM... ; )
420 PM = disappointment - I know I have probably another 6 hours before I can have smoke
420 AM = Oh crap - Ive just woken up on the sofa again! Time to make my way up to my actual bed.
420 PM = disappointment - I know I have probably another 6 hours before I can have smoke
420 AM = Oh crap - Ive just woken up on the sofa again! Time to make my way up to my actual bed.
ITs Actally April 20th the ideal date too germinate your seeds to be grown outside thus being past the last frost of the year and is the date all uk growers know of or at least i thought did lmao
I thought at 4:20 the minute hand and hour hand unite and release a wee waft of timeless smoke....
420 degrees F is the maximum temperature at which you can vaporize THC. I appreciate the 4/20 tradition might have come before vaping facts became knows, but we're stoners... sometimes the answer comes before the question. I prefer mine at 390 degrees, but happy 420 anyway!
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'High strength skunk cannabis' - is it a myth?
It's a media buzzword/phrase, but it's not a myth. It's the inevitable by-product of prohibition.
Since the US stepped up its war on drugs, the old w…
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'High strength skunk cannabis' - is it a myth?
I'm sure you've all heard the same epithet repeated over and over again. I attended a talk a few weeks ago by an eminent researcher on schizophrenia who hypothesised that 'high strength skunk cannabis' was contributing to rising cases of drug-induced psychosis in certain areas (particularly South London and Spain, for example).
I've always been skeptical of this narrative for three reasons:
1) because ascertaining 'strength' through THC content alone is reductive when there are over 400 chemical entities factoring into its psychoactive effects. Different strains, growing conditions, metabolic rates, level of fatigue, hell... even how good your day has been all factor into the potency of a high.
2) Chemical testing of cannabis was rather unreliable and not widespread until fairly recently so we'll never really understand overall changes in chemical composition of cannabis mathematically speaking (why do intelligent people make such broad, uneducated assumptions about complex things!?)
3) Although a hard distinction between old and new cannabis varieties is a bit of a fantasy; I'd say that overall my experiences with good quality, well-grown newer varieties tend to be cleaner, more clinical and less psychedelic than 'old-world' weed and I find the high easier to manage overall, even if I might dose myself lower. I've met a few people over the years with similar experiences. Anecdotally I'd say that newer strains carry a lower chance of jitters and psychosis and a higher chance of couch-lock and passing out.
Not really asking a question or trying to make a single point here but just thought I'd log my thoughts on the issue in case it resonates with anyone. Shout out to Pistach for getting me high enough to write this bollox.
I've always been skeptical of this narrative for three reasons:
1) because ascertaining 'strength' through THC content alone is reductive when there are over 400 chemical entities factoring into its psychoactive effects. Different strains, growing conditions, metabolic rates, level of fatigue, hell... even how good your day has been all factor into the potency of a high.
2) Chemical testing of cannabis was rather unreliable and not widespread until fairly recently so we'll never really understand overall changes in chemical composition of cannabis mathematically speaking (why do intelligent people make such broad, uneducated assumptions about complex things!?)
3) Although a hard distinction between old and new cannabis varieties is a bit of a fantasy; I'd say that overall my experiences with good quality, well-grown newer varieties tend to be cleaner, more clinical and less psychedelic than 'old-world' weed and I find the high easier to manage overall, even if I might dose myself lower. I've met a few people over the years with similar experiences. Anecdotally I'd say that newer strains carry a lower chance of jitters and psychosis and a higher chance of couch-lock and passing out.
Not really asking a question or trying to make a single point here but just thought I'd log my thoughts on the issue in case it resonates with anyone. Shout out to Pistach for getting me high enough to write this bollox.
High strength skunk is a political tool for bashing cannabis.
Thc is a psychotic and cbd is antipsychotic. I think having zero cbd in you cannabis and having an underlying mental health condition isn’t a healthy combination. For everyone else , I doubt we will go nuts;)
Thc is a psychotic and cbd is antipsychotic. I think having zero cbd in you cannabis and having an underlying mental health condition isn’t a healthy combination. For everyone else , I doubt we will go nuts;)
Interesting, I've heard this before. I'm sure research is still pretty embryonic but unless we lift prohibition we're unlikely to fully understand why cannabis does what it does.
Studies into mushroom use are becoming all the rage in places like Imperial College at the moment so lets see where that takes us.
Studies into mushroom use are becoming all the rage in places like Imperial College at the moment so lets see where that takes us.
Cheers for posting, enjoyed the read :)
That term 'high strength skunk cannabis' grinds my gears.lol. Our press in this country (uk) love this term and have turned it into such a negative phrase! To me though it goes to show how out of touch they are with the current situation!
When it come to psychosis its a touchy subject... Its definitely used by the nay sayers to shit on a potential legal cannabis industry here.. and Ive seen a number of articles who hype this up for their own agenda...
There are people though who do suffer with psychosis which needs to be addressed as well..
I don't know all the facts and figures but I do believe the ratio of who gets some form of serious psychosis to those who don't is very low.
I believe this just provides more evidence that cannabis should be legalised. This is so proper advice can be given to those who suffer with some form of mental illness and the correct dosage can be given if its right for them :)
That term 'high strength skunk cannabis' grinds my gears.lol. Our press in this country (uk) love this term and have turned it into such a negative phrase! To me though it goes to show how out of touch they are with the current situation!
When it come to psychosis its a touchy subject... Its definitely used by the nay sayers to shit on a potential legal cannabis industry here.. and Ive seen a number of articles who hype this up for their own agenda...
There are people though who do suffer with psychosis which needs to be addressed as well..
I don't know all the facts and figures but I do believe the ratio of who gets some form of serious psychosis to those who don't is very low.
I believe this just provides more evidence that cannabis should be legalised. This is so proper advice can be given to those who suffer with some form of mental illness and the correct dosage can be given if its right for them :)
Yeah well put. There's high risk in all manner of things we take for granted and really its down to the likelihood of risk to users rather than the severity of the worse case scenario.
Less than half a percent of the population suffer from psychosis and even fewer of those numbers are down to cannabis use (not to mention that alcohol-induced psychosis is very much a thing too!)
Under legalisation millions more people would consume cannabis which would inevitably lead to an increase in psychosis *but* the numbers would still likely be lower than most other psychological afflictions + the numbers could be somewhat offset by the benefits of cannabis experienced by many users.
Having an excessively risk averse attitude towards policy-making can actually cause more problems in many cases. The fact that North America has woken up to this before us is hilarious.
Less than half a percent of the population suffer from psychosis and even fewer of those numbers are down to cannabis use (not to mention that alcohol-induced psychosis is very much a thing too!)
Under legalisation millions more people would consume cannabis which would inevitably lead to an increase in psychosis *but* the numbers would still likely be lower than most other psychological afflictions + the numbers could be somewhat offset by the benefits of cannabis experienced by many users.
Having an excessively risk averse attitude towards policy-making can actually cause more problems in many cases. The fact that North America has woken up to this before us is hilarious.
It's a media buzzword/phrase, but it's not a myth. It's the inevitable by-product of prohibition.
Since the US stepped up its war on drugs, the old ways of importing outdoor weed (mostly Mexican, for US... hash for Europe) were clamped down on.
When cannabis cultivation got pushed indoors, we effectively had more intensive cultivation - looking to develop as much THC as possible within a small space. Potency became the main objective of seed breeding and the whole thing became more sophisticated.
Similarly, during alcohol prohibition - people were opting for spirits (and moonshine) rather than beers and wine.
It's entirely possible that in a decriminalised or legalised situation, consumers might actually opt for less 'high strength'. But in the meantime it makes better business sense for the black market to offer the highest potency possible - potency is still regarded by most as an indicator of quality.
Since the US stepped up its war on drugs, the old ways of importing outdoor weed (mostly Mexican, for US... hash for Europe) were clamped down on.
When cannabis cultivation got pushed indoors, we effectively had more intensive cultivation - looking to develop as much THC as possible within a small space. Potency became the main objective of seed breeding and the whole thing became more sophisticated.
Similarly, during alcohol prohibition - people were opting for spirits (and moonshine) rather than beers and wine.
It's entirely possible that in a decriminalised or legalised situation, consumers might actually opt for less 'high strength'. But in the meantime it makes better business sense for the black market to offer the highest potency possible - potency is still regarded by most as an indicator of quality.
Funny you should mention prohibition because just as that was coming to an end Harry Jacob Anslinger started running The Bureau of Prohibition. When that disbanded he took over Federal Bureau of Narcotics and set his sights on marijuana. He had Congress make it illegal, his case rested on two fantastical assertions: that the drug caused insanity and that it pushed people toward horrendous acts of criminality. Others at the time argued that it was fiercely addictive. He then started a propaganda campaign using medical Dr's to make the lies 'real'. The real truth was that Mexicans used it so making cannabis illegal made it easier for them to arrested and deport innocent Mexicans. Here's one of the propaganda posters.
I enjoy thinking about cannabis (also tea, coffee for example) from that perspective. We cultivate these plants to suit some form human utility so there is a strong argument that, as you say, prohibition has effectively shaped the evolution of cannabis to make us 'more stoned'.
On the other hand I question what that means. Does a botanist really have access to that information? Surely these things are highly subjective and selecting for them in a plant is extremely difficult? In other words; a grower might smoke one of their plants and think "this is more potent", but does that reflect an objective truth about potency or more about the subjective 'taste' of the grower?
Strange comparison but it reminds me of the eugenics debate that unravelled throughout the 19th & 20th Century - people really believed intelligence was quantifiable in such a way that we could select for it via human breeding. The reality is far more complex! There are different forms of intelligence which are culturally and environmentally specific and don't neatly fit onto a global continuum.
Potency is a product of the user, the environment and the plant working symbiotically. What we consider 'high strength skunk cannabis' (in my opinion) is really a manifestation of American breeding programmes (1960's-) which hybridised a diverse range of plants from around the world with varying 'potency', resin production, resistance to disease etc. As you mentioned, America's political influence has also shaped our perception of the plant as well.
Probably haven't worded myself very well but I did my best lol.
On the other hand I question what that means. Does a botanist really have access to that information? Surely these things are highly subjective and selecting for them in a plant is extremely difficult? In other words; a grower might smoke one of their plants and think "this is more potent", but does that reflect an objective truth about potency or more about the subjective 'taste' of the grower?
Strange comparison but it reminds me of the eugenics debate that unravelled throughout the 19th & 20th Century - people really believed intelligence was quantifiable in such a way that we could select for it via human breeding. The reality is far more complex! There are different forms of intelligence which are culturally and environmentally specific and don't neatly fit onto a global continuum.
Potency is a product of the user, the environment and the plant working symbiotically. What we consider 'high strength skunk cannabis' (in my opinion) is really a manifestation of American breeding programmes (1960's-) which hybridised a diverse range of plants from around the world with varying 'potency', resin production, resistance to disease etc. As you mentioned, America's political influence has also shaped our perception of the plant as well.
Probably haven't worded myself very well but I did my best lol.
Almost every long term study shows daily users are at an increased risk of psychosis and the stronger the weed the higher the risk. It cannot be ruled out that people at high risk of psychosis are more likely to become daily weed users, but that's a pretty difficult experiment to figure out.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29557759/
Out of interest, what do you mean by 'cleaner' or 'more clinical'?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29557759/
Out of interest, what do you mean by 'cleaner' or 'more clinical'?
I have two relatives who suffered from cannabis-induced psychosis. From the outside it looked like any other drug 'addiction' cycle in the sense that they smoked more, their tolerance increased, the drug became associated with almost all aspects of their waking life etc. I personally think their psychosis wasn't caused primarily by the strength of the cannabis per se but with *how* they were using it (method, frequency etc).
sometimes I feel almost lucky that they chose to self-medicate with cannabis rather than heroin or alcohol because, as your second point suggests, I always felt there was always some inevitability about their substance abuse and thankfully both are still with us. On the other hand I have taken a whole load of drugs throughout my life but never abused them - it's the 'abuse' bit that is often ignored with cannabis in my opinion.
Hard to explain the 'clean' and 'clinical' thing. When I smoke some good quality durban poison (for example) the effect reminds me of a low dose of mushrooms - temperamental, psychedelic, pensive and can send you on a bad trip if you're unlucky. Cali packs on the other hand don't alter my perceptions so much as they just sedate me like a valium. I'm massively generalising, but that is probably some way towards explaining what i meant.
sometimes I feel almost lucky that they chose to self-medicate with cannabis rather than heroin or alcohol because, as your second point suggests, I always felt there was always some inevitability about their substance abuse and thankfully both are still with us. On the other hand I have taken a whole load of drugs throughout my life but never abused them - it's the 'abuse' bit that is often ignored with cannabis in my opinion.
Hard to explain the 'clean' and 'clinical' thing. When I smoke some good quality durban poison (for example) the effect reminds me of a low dose of mushrooms - temperamental, psychedelic, pensive and can send you on a bad trip if you're unlucky. Cali packs on the other hand don't alter my perceptions so much as they just sedate me like a valium. I'm massively generalising, but that is probably some way towards explaining what i meant.
I think I get some of your points.
That strength is secondary to frequency is borne out by the evidence (and my experience), but it is still a factor.
Also, I find distilate for instance to be a pretty flat high compared to the weed it came from despite being so much stronger, which I think is kinda what you're saying?
That strength is secondary to frequency is borne out by the evidence (and my experience), but it is still a factor.
Also, I find distilate for instance to be a pretty flat high compared to the weed it came from despite being so much stronger, which I think is kinda what you're saying?
It's a factor that would surely be mitigated by ending prohibition? Better understanding about what constitutes strength (because research would be easier to conduct) + more consumer choice regarding strains etc + new technologies which could enable us to consume cannabis in different ways which may mitigate some of the negative effects (hypothetically!)
'flat' high is an excellent way of describing what i meant, yes.
'flat' high is an excellent way of describing what i meant, yes.
every study paid for by big pharma or our bought and paid for governments, you mean... who pay the staff then give them the answer they want for their money...then they do 'research' untill they find the answer they just got paid to find...this is not how real science works.
my evidence for the way the entire medical industry is owned and controlled by a criminal cartel ?????
check the biggest movement of wealth in the history of mankind from poor tax payers to billonaires who bribed our government to go along with a man made scam involving a man made 'virus' which only exists in a lab...or did you miss that?
what about the 5 nobel prizes for cancer? that they forget about?
what about the FDA just applying to cover up Pfizers covid vax test results untill 2100?
or did you miss those too?
check the biggest movement of wealth in the history of mankind from poor tax payers to billonaires who bribed our government to go along with a man made scam involving a man made 'virus' which only exists in a lab...or did you miss that?
what about the 5 nobel prizes for cancer? that they forget about?
what about the FDA just applying to cover up Pfizers covid vax test results untill 2100?
or did you miss those too?
the FDA Pfzer cover up was just last week its on every search engine.
In 90 days they killed 1259 people ,or 1 every 1 hour 50 mins, its on Pfizefrs site.
The Scientist ran the 'man creates cross between coronavirus and sars story in 2015, when he made it with synthetic , recombined DNA, its on the world gene register.
You can check on any financial site to see profits and money moving from us to them. 2020 and 2021 were the largest ever.
In 90 days they killed 1259 people ,or 1 every 1 hour 50 mins, its on Pfizefrs site.
The Scientist ran the 'man creates cross between coronavirus and sars story in 2015, when he made it with synthetic , recombined DNA, its on the world gene register.
You can check on any financial site to see profits and money moving from us to them. 2020 and 2021 were the largest ever.
I've had psychosis before and always medicated. About a month ago I got accepted by sapphire medical for medical cannabis Advan flos emt1 it's 19-20% thc I get it every week for a £5 a gram lol.
I'm sure if they thought i was gonna have an episode again they wouldn't of given me a script? My script is 2grams a day vaped.
It's for PTSD too.
I just think some people are always going to loose their minds no matter what. I guess that's why all the new scripts in recent months for the DATA.
I'm sure if they thought i was gonna have an episode again they wouldn't of given me a script? My script is 2grams a day vaped.
It's for PTSD too.
I just think some people are always going to loose their minds no matter what. I guess that's why all the new scripts in recent months for the DATA.
Wow this was news to me - seems like a very well kept secret!? Reminds me of the days where my cousin in California was getting a cannabis script for 'glaucoma'... am I wrong in thinking this is quite a big step towards legalisation in the UK? Hope you're doing good.
when they say "skunk" really they mean sinsemillia, fucking idiots. gw pharma grow the skunk strain, they then take that skunk and refine it into super strong oil that they put in a spray bottle, somewhere in their magic they lose the psychosis.
This is an old tale told by the anti weed mob.
In the early days of the great weed experiment that kicked off the genetic manipulation of all the original strains some of the early "skunk" was just evil with high THC levels,it was not a nice smoke and you would cough your lungs out smoking the shit and be lucky not to throw up and whitey on the spot,some of it the unscrupulous had used all sorts of chemicals to grow it.
It was a new thing nobody really knew what we were doing lol but like all things we learned and got better.
So yea there was a period when "skunk" was guilty of messing up people but that was a long time ago and was during a period of really good hash as weed was still rare in the UK.
If i had a modern comparison i would say that evil crap fake weed stuff you can get.
In the early days of the great weed experiment that kicked off the genetic manipulation of all the original strains some of the early "skunk" was just evil with high THC levels,it was not a nice smoke and you would cough your lungs out smoking the shit and be lucky not to throw up and whitey on the spot,some of it the unscrupulous had used all sorts of chemicals to grow it.
It was a new thing nobody really knew what we were doing lol but like all things we learned and got better.
So yea there was a period when "skunk" was guilty of messing up people but that was a long time ago and was during a period of really good hash as weed was still rare in the UK.
If i had a modern comparison i would say that evil crap fake weed stuff you can get.
of course its a lie. the entire medical system is owned and bought and paid for by criminals.
It is the heart of the NWO cartel conspiracy.
they have tested plants which have the same genetics from like 2,000 years ago in remote valleys of the hindu kush and found 22% THC so its not a new thing.
as you said, define strength...its impossible.
plus, you dont think that living in a big city, being spied on in every call and email you send, facial recognition on every corner...gang violence, robbery, knife crime ,guns , rape, terrorism....they have no affect on our mental health at all....its just the cannabis...what crock of shit.
the same medical corps with the biggest criminal fines in history for lying and killing people...the same who just made 100 billion of ourr tax for a scam?
i'd steer well clear of that kind of advice bro...
remember, smoking cigarettes was good according to the FDA...dairy caused obesity...and now they just tried to cover up Pfizers first covid vax results For 75 Years ( it killed 1 every hour and 50 mins )...they are the baddies.
and yeah cheers Pistach.
It is the heart of the NWO cartel conspiracy.
they have tested plants which have the same genetics from like 2,000 years ago in remote valleys of the hindu kush and found 22% THC so its not a new thing.
as you said, define strength...its impossible.
plus, you dont think that living in a big city, being spied on in every call and email you send, facial recognition on every corner...gang violence, robbery, knife crime ,guns , rape, terrorism....they have no affect on our mental health at all....its just the cannabis...what crock of shit.
the same medical corps with the biggest criminal fines in history for lying and killing people...the same who just made 100 billion of ourr tax for a scam?
i'd steer well clear of that kind of advice bro...
remember, smoking cigarettes was good according to the FDA...dairy caused obesity...and now they just tried to cover up Pfizers first covid vax results For 75 Years ( it killed 1 every hour and 50 mins )...they are the baddies.
and yeah cheers Pistach.
I'm not a particularly conspiratorially minded person but I do think there is some truth in a lot of what you say. The researcher I mentioned in the original post did talk about the link between psychosis and urbanisation and I totally agree with you that the elevated 'social' risks that comes with cities can probably lead to quite specific psychological problems. Cannabis seems like an unnecessary scapegoat when you think about the bigger picture.
who gains? the romans and greeks were taught to ask...it is the essential question of democracy.
ask who gains from this. follow the bottom line and not the front page.
are the 'scientists' paid to find a certain result, or to investigate generally?
it s the first one.
they go to work, the boss says find out why cannabis is bad...so they do, an entire industry grew out of this funding which most governments took part in from the 70s untill now. with OUR TAX they created propaganda.
big pharma has been bank rolling governments to stop cannabis production since it was first banned...by tobacco and paper manufacturers lobbying government so they could make more profit.
It cures so many things that big pharma has reasoned that...if it might cost us say, 10 billion a year, we can spend 1 billion a year bribing governments to keep it illegal.
Cannabis was never dangerous...it was lobbied against by those whose interests would be best served to keep or make it illegal.
Its how governments make decisions, they dont listen to us they take bribes..or lobbying as they term it.
Most scientists have mortgages too...you cant just take a degree and then 'science ' at home. you get a job working where other scientists do...and all those places are paid for by the same people, corporations and governments.
Great topic mate... .
ask who gains from this. follow the bottom line and not the front page.
are the 'scientists' paid to find a certain result, or to investigate generally?
it s the first one.
they go to work, the boss says find out why cannabis is bad...so they do, an entire industry grew out of this funding which most governments took part in from the 70s untill now. with OUR TAX they created propaganda.
big pharma has been bank rolling governments to stop cannabis production since it was first banned...by tobacco and paper manufacturers lobbying government so they could make more profit.
It cures so many things that big pharma has reasoned that...if it might cost us say, 10 billion a year, we can spend 1 billion a year bribing governments to keep it illegal.
Cannabis was never dangerous...it was lobbied against by those whose interests would be best served to keep or make it illegal.
Its how governments make decisions, they dont listen to us they take bribes..or lobbying as they term it.
Most scientists have mortgages too...you cant just take a degree and then 'science ' at home. you get a job working where other scientists do...and all those places are paid for by the same people, corporations and governments.
Great topic mate... .
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what's the longest time youve spent in vr?
About 15 minutes. I only use it for porn : D
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{gaming}
what's the longest time youve spent in vr?
i'm really interested in immediate effects and anything that persists. for me it's under an hour and i was disoriented for maybe 8 hours with a 1/2 life around 1 hour.
Same, although i was watching porn for about 3, maybe 4 minutes. Not gonna lie.
Cheers. BB
Cheers. BB
I'm a tantric Sex God. But also over 40, drinking relatively heavily and dabbing up to half a g a day. Y'know how it goes...
I wish i did mate, i'm over 40 and a heavy drinker.
Sting with his tantric stuff was an influence on me, but only when i had to give money to Band Aid in 1984. Seems a bit too much like hard work. ;)
Cheers. BB
Sting with his tantric stuff was an influence on me, but only when i had to give money to Band Aid in 1984. Seems a bit too much like hard work. ;)
Cheers. BB
I've done maybe 4 hours, I switched up games though and that help you from over dosing in a single game.
it seems to me the more immersive the platform the tougher it gets on the body. cheap vr gets on my nerves before i get queezy, a full on setup with peripherals and i feel like its a portal just getting back to irl.
I think the longest I've done in one go is about 3-4 hours. The weirdest part of VR for me was when I first got a headset, for about a week I felt like I was in VR all the time. The head-bobbing effect of walking in reality seemed exaggerated.
But all that's faded away now. I can use VR without any adverse effects except maybe a bit of eye strain for a long session.
But all that's faded away now. I can use VR without any adverse effects except maybe a bit of eye strain for a long session.
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+2.2 votes
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leanbean
Can you vape hash?
You need to be looking at full-melt bubblehash if you're trying to dab it, dry sift won't really work. You can vape hash though... just a bit fiddly. …
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leanbean
Can you vape hash?
I’ve been vaping my bud for the past year now as I find it to be a much nicer high and you can really taste the flavours but I do get tempted by all the delicious looking hash on LB so wondered if it’s possible to vape? I’m using a pax 3 and occasionally use the concentrate insert for wax so does anyone know if vaping hash would work?
I have used a “Mighty” vape with hash it has an adjustable temperature and plenty of accessories for different stuff, works great for me. Little pad of steel wool for oil, also chamber at the top Collects wax like resin after being used to vape hash, can be scraped out and makes for a great smoke
I use a dynavap with cotton bacon(vaping fibre) you can get it from Amazon or eBay, then you don't mess up your screen.
you can at a high heat, but hash leaves alot of oily residue which will block parts of the vape or insert
Thanks mate. I’ve got some high quality dry sift on the way which I might try dabbing but if it doesn’t melt make some rosin. I’ve not tried making it before so could be a fun experiment!
You need to be looking at full-melt bubblehash if you're trying to dab it, dry sift won't really work. You can vape hash though... just a bit fiddly. Like Zappytrocar said, the residue is the main problem... so I put hash into cotton wool, or wrap it in hemp fibre, then put it in the vape (this means you can pull out the whole oily residue mess along with the cotton etc). I've got a dedicated Dynavap just for hash.
Couldn’t find hemp fibre but found a 80% cotton, 20% hemp blend that’s used for e cig wicks and it’s worked a treat. The process will take some refining and I’m puffing on my crafty as I write so haven’t seen the mess yet but I’m certainly enjoying this Porsche stamp dry sift. Thanks! And thanks to grumpybloke if you read this as you also suggested the same! - update - no mess whatsoever!
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+12 votes
little biggy theme song?
One of the things I love about lb is its a race free zone. You can say you are color blind IRL but here its an existenital condition.
"No No Song"
Huh-huh! Huh-huh
(Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah)
(Aye-aye-aye-aye)
A lady that i know just came from columbia,
She smiled because i did not understand.
Then she held out some marijuana, ha ha!
She said it was the best in all the land.
And i said,
"no, no, no, no, i don't smoke it no more,
I'm tired of waking up on the floor.
No, thank you, please, it only makes me sneeze,
And then it makes it hard to find the door."
(ah-ah-aye-aye)
A woman that i know just came from majorca, spain,
She smiled because i did not understand. (parazzi! Parazzi!) (ole!)
Then she held out a ten pound bag of cocaine,
She said it was the finest in the land.
And i said,
"no, no, no, no, i don't sniff it no more,
I'm tired of waking up on the floor.
No, thank you, please, it only makes me sneeze,
And then it makes it hard to find the door."
(aye-aye-aye-aye)
(aye-aye-aye-aye)
(aye-aye-aye-aye)
(aye-aye-aye)
A man that i know just came from nashville, tennessee, oo, (oh no!)
He smiled because i did not understand.
Then he held out some moonshine whiskey, oh ho,
He said it was the best in all the land. (and he wasn't joking!!!)
And i said,
"no, no, no, no, i don't drink it no more,
I'm tired of waking up on the floor.
No, thank you, please, it only makes me sneeze,
And then it makes it hard to find the door."
Well, i said,
"no, no, no, no, i can't take it no more,
I'm tired of waking up on the floor.
No, thank you, please, it only makes me sneeze,
And then it makes it hard to find the door."
Hey yeh!
"i'll just have another drink, barman, have you got a large brandy?"
Huh-huh! Huh-huh
(Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah)
(Aye-aye-aye-aye)
A lady that i know just came from columbia,
She smiled because i did not understand.
Then she held out some marijuana, ha ha!
She said it was the best in all the land.
And i said,
"no, no, no, no, i don't smoke it no more,
I'm tired of waking up on the floor.
No, thank you, please, it only makes me sneeze,
And then it makes it hard to find the door."
(ah-ah-aye-aye)
A woman that i know just came from majorca, spain,
She smiled because i did not understand. (parazzi! Parazzi!) (ole!)
Then she held out a ten pound bag of cocaine,
She said it was the finest in the land.
And i said,
"no, no, no, no, i don't sniff it no more,
I'm tired of waking up on the floor.
No, thank you, please, it only makes me sneeze,
And then it makes it hard to find the door."
(aye-aye-aye-aye)
(aye-aye-aye-aye)
(aye-aye-aye-aye)
(aye-aye-aye)
A man that i know just came from nashville, tennessee, oo, (oh no!)
He smiled because i did not understand.
Then he held out some moonshine whiskey, oh ho,
He said it was the best in all the land. (and he wasn't joking!!!)
And i said,
"no, no, no, no, i don't drink it no more,
I'm tired of waking up on the floor.
No, thank you, please, it only makes me sneeze,
And then it makes it hard to find the door."
Well, i said,
"no, no, no, no, i can't take it no more,
I'm tired of waking up on the floor.
No, thank you, please, it only makes me sneeze,
And then it makes it hard to find the door."
Hey yeh!
"i'll just have another drink, barman, have you got a large brandy?"
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{Economics}
When will AI replace every job?
Don't worry about it, AI will figure it out for us.
But the bottom line is, the corporations that are investing in AI still need to make their profit…
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{Economics}
When will AI replace every job?
Seems there are more articles like this every day and that AI is accelerating faster and faster. If AI is better than us at everything what are we going to do all day and how are we going to earn money?
If any AI and robots do the work without getting paid it doesn't sound like we need a whole lot of money.
This. The whole idea of humans working for money starts changing when all of the work is done by AI and robots. Think how different a shared self driving car is to a couple of clunkers parked in every garage on stand by, it up-ends the premise of cars, transport, housing to say nothing of alcohol use, multi-tasking and God knows what else. Now think of everything else being done by robots and you and your friends spending lots of time in VR, it's not like you're going to take off the glasses and work at some factory in this scenario.
Don't worry about it, AI will figure it out for us.
But the bottom line is, the corporations that are investing in AI still need to make their profits too. If no one works, no one has money, so how would these corporations stay afloat?
There will need to be some sort of equilibrium - much as (most) humans now realise we can't keep burning Earth's resources, AI systems wouldn't be programmed to make humanity defunct. Not unless the world manages to move away from its capitalist consumerist ambitions; which it won't. We're greedy creatures.
But the bottom line is, the corporations that are investing in AI still need to make their profits too. If no one works, no one has money, so how would these corporations stay afloat?
There will need to be some sort of equilibrium - much as (most) humans now realise we can't keep burning Earth's resources, AI systems wouldn't be programmed to make humanity defunct. Not unless the world manages to move away from its capitalist consumerist ambitions; which it won't. We're greedy creatures.
if everything we want is fed by an ai created vr feed we may still be consumers but things gonna be damn cheap.
Read life 3.0 by max tegmark. There is a vast community funded by Elon Musk reseraching AI and its potential as we speak. I wonder if the Simpsons can predict the eventuality that machines could become superior to humans like they did with forecasting Donald Trump as President.
For the moment, we are safe. They haven't even managed to get self checkouts working properly yet, so I'm not getting in a driverless car. All it takes is a sensor to fail, and it's game over. I work with sensors - you wouldn't want to get in a driverless car for a long while.
Automation - whole different ballgame, and this is the real fear
Automation - whole different ballgame, and this is the real fear
To understand that, you first have to understand who have control of the world. eventually you find the source being that of the "Red Shield" family. which then gives you their agenda, they see the rest of us as "goyim" having a belief we are to serve them as upgraded animals. So, they have to destroy the existing system to usher in a new having what we term "image of the beast" possibly representing AI as the brains behind their new agenda. We, therefore will enter a stage where the elite/red shield family give a choice to either obey and conform to them or to be hunted down like sheep for slaughter. The ones who accept will receive a mark to accept credits. China recently started this endeavour which fits perfectly with their zionist regime and called it "Social Credit" http://uk.businessinsider.com/china-social-credit-system-punishments-and-rewards-explained-2018-4?r=US&IR=T, however, those who have understanding will flee from their demise into the wilderness for this has been written already. They call themselves Jews but are not (Revelation 2:9) thus the third temple will not be as they claim, possibly even having AI rule over the population whilst the AC rule over their temple.
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+3.2 votes
Hi Lads
As a grower I'm 100% confident that my best strains/ grows will hold their own against most, but the demand for the unusual/ different and exotic is stronger than ever.
So the Question is, what makes real Cail weed better ? Or Dutch import for that matter.
If I get top end genetics ( seeds ) as a starting point, why cant I equal or better cali weed ?
Genetics are what they are, and theres no secret way that only our US friends know of too growing weed.
Good genetics/ good nutrients ( possibly organic) / good growing environment ( lights extraction, stable temps etc and cured the right way.
I personally think it's a bit of a trend thing a bit like supposed wine connoisseurs... get a group of smokers to try 2 good UK grown stains and 2 cail and most people couldn't pick the supposedly more superior product imo
As a grower I'm 100% confident that my best strains/ grows will hold their own against most, but the demand for the unusual/ different and exotic is stronger than ever.
So the Question is, what makes real Cail weed better ? Or Dutch import for that matter.
If I get top end genetics ( seeds ) as a starting point, why cant I equal or better cali weed ?
Genetics are what they are, and theres no secret way that only our US friends know of too growing weed.
Good genetics/ good nutrients ( possibly organic) / good growing environment ( lights extraction, stable temps etc and cured the right way.
I personally think it's a bit of a trend thing a bit like supposed wine connoisseurs... get a group of smokers to try 2 good UK grown stains and 2 cail and most people couldn't pick the supposedly more superior product imo
Personally I think Cali and Dutch herb is better than UK weed and I’ve smoked a shit tonne of Dutch weed living there in the mid 00’s... why? Simply because it’s legal... you don’t have to rush, hide away, worry constantly, they’re doing it on a legal industrial scale so the equipment is better, they can invest in the newest and best equipment without fear of losing it all in a raid, purely and simply it’s investment that makes legal weed better.
Also a big factor is in the U.K. we have to buy what’s available if it’s shit it’s shit, wait and hope the next lot from your dealer is better, in legal countries it’s competition there is recourse for the product.... I had XXX weed from XXX grower and it was the bomb goes far and makes money, rather than I bought some banging weed off Gary in the dog and duck in Grimsby means fuck all unless you know Gary and live in Grimsby... accountability is the difference imo.
Can weed be grown as well in the UK as Cali or Dam... 100% it’s a seed it grows, no rocket science behind it or a special formula just freedom, time and equipment and experience.
Also a big factor is in the U.K. we have to buy what’s available if it’s shit it’s shit, wait and hope the next lot from your dealer is better, in legal countries it’s competition there is recourse for the product.... I had XXX weed from XXX grower and it was the bomb goes far and makes money, rather than I bought some banging weed off Gary in the dog and duck in Grimsby means fuck all unless you know Gary and live in Grimsby... accountability is the difference imo.
Can weed be grown as well in the UK as Cali or Dam... 100% it’s a seed it grows, no rocket science behind it or a special formula just freedom, time and equipment and experience.
100% mate, I DO believe there is some grade around that just couldn't be produced to that quality and volume in some cloak and dagger growhouse operation here.
I see a lot more coming from Canada, and there's been routes from Dam, Poland and elsewhere for green in as long as it's been here. However with the right genetics, knowledge and conditions I believe you can grow truly A*** green anywhere, just not sure you can do it on an industrial scale in a country that continues to throw so much of the law's resources to shutting them down.
As others have said the equipment used, testing, level of quality control, the manicured buds, the density, the quality, the taste...there is definitely something..different around, that never was before the "Cali" phase. Hype or otherwise.
Where it comes from I have no idea but there has been a huge change in the strength and amount that's around.
The problem I have is the grey area between what is genuine Top Shelf and what isn't. The marketing has muddied the waters and pushed up the price and cache of average weed that sparkles a bit.
Fact is no matter what, I draw the line somewhere. When we were kids it was 3.5 for 25 quid, last time I went to Dam it was €20 on the gram. I just will never reach to some of those levels and even on here you will see up to £70-80 a henry. Doesn't matter where it's grown, flown....budget dictates for me.
There has always been a top level, and as long as that reflects in the product we can all be happy.
I see a lot more coming from Canada, and there's been routes from Dam, Poland and elsewhere for green in as long as it's been here. However with the right genetics, knowledge and conditions I believe you can grow truly A*** green anywhere, just not sure you can do it on an industrial scale in a country that continues to throw so much of the law's resources to shutting them down.
As others have said the equipment used, testing, level of quality control, the manicured buds, the density, the quality, the taste...there is definitely something..different around, that never was before the "Cali" phase. Hype or otherwise.
Where it comes from I have no idea but there has been a huge change in the strength and amount that's around.
The problem I have is the grey area between what is genuine Top Shelf and what isn't. The marketing has muddied the waters and pushed up the price and cache of average weed that sparkles a bit.
Fact is no matter what, I draw the line somewhere. When we were kids it was 3.5 for 25 quid, last time I went to Dam it was €20 on the gram. I just will never reach to some of those levels and even on here you will see up to £70-80 a henry. Doesn't matter where it's grown, flown....budget dictates for me.
There has always been a top level, and as long as that reflects in the product we can all be happy.
The fact that theres power sellers on eBay getting rich off selling thousands of shitty tins/tubes and stickers advertising exotic cali strains says it all. Theres no telling the "connoisseurs" who pay £400+ an ounce, that their "cali" more than likely originates from someones bedroom tent in the same town :)
The fact that it's even possible to get "Cali" grown outside of California says it all really, it's become a type of brand name. If some one grows a bit of Amnesia I've never heard them call it UK grown Amsterdam.... it makes no sense.
"Cali" is the kind of thing we have to worry about if we ever go legal or whatever, it's just big American companies trying to steamroller over everyone else. Same old shit, different market.
We definitely need to make sure we look after our UK growers going forward, we do DANK better on this side of the pond anyway. Let's get a whole range of Cheese's going I say :P
Nothing wrong with Cali mind I might be being a bit harsh but we do have to be careful though.
"Cali" is the kind of thing we have to worry about if we ever go legal or whatever, it's just big American companies trying to steamroller over everyone else. Same old shit, different market.
We definitely need to make sure we look after our UK growers going forward, we do DANK better on this side of the pond anyway. Let's get a whole range of Cheese's going I say :P
Nothing wrong with Cali mind I might be being a bit harsh but we do have to be careful though.
There are good reasons why someone might choose Cali or Dutch over UK bud, but I think the rationale behind it has been somewhat drowned up by hype/fashion. But ultimately, Cali or Dutch bud should - in theory - come from more accountable growers. 'Real Cali' is tested, and it's quality verified - that will be appealing to people whose 'street' purchases might be questionable. Same goes for Dutch, to a degree. In as much as if this is sold in a coffee shop, it has to compete with all bud in all coffee shops, and is therefore expected to be of higher quality.
There are also legacy reasons, possibly. Pre-legalisation, I used to get bud in from Cali - I've long believed the best outdoor grows come from that region, and I like outdoor grows! But the geography of the 'Golden Triangle' in Cali does offer the ideal growing environment - but with modern genetics close to hand (unlike more traditional growing regions). The sheer number of smokers/growers there also led to the early(ish) medical legalisation there, which also helped the scene. California deserves its reputation as the home of amazing cannabis - but certainly not everything from there is great these days (I suspect the black market here is largely their rejects!). Similarly, Amsterdam's been the home of modern genetics on this side of the ocean, with the coffeeshop scene encouraging at least a base level of quality.
UK bud doesn't have that same provenance. There are some famous cuts, sure - Exodus, Blues etc. But nothing else that implies any guarantee of quality. But, of course, with the same seeds and equipment, there's no reason UK bud couldn't theoretically compete with the best. Indeed, nearly all the best buds I've ever had have been UK grown. I'd never specifically choose Dutch over UK and I actively avoid marketed Cali in the UK (it's either fake, reject or over-priced!).
The one origin label that does prick my ears up is Canada. I believe their gear has a lot of the same advantages, but isn't exploited in the same way. If I want cheap, reliable quality, Canadian vendors top the charts. But for pristine high end, I stick with good growers of nice genetics in the UK.
There are also legacy reasons, possibly. Pre-legalisation, I used to get bud in from Cali - I've long believed the best outdoor grows come from that region, and I like outdoor grows! But the geography of the 'Golden Triangle' in Cali does offer the ideal growing environment - but with modern genetics close to hand (unlike more traditional growing regions). The sheer number of smokers/growers there also led to the early(ish) medical legalisation there, which also helped the scene. California deserves its reputation as the home of amazing cannabis - but certainly not everything from there is great these days (I suspect the black market here is largely their rejects!). Similarly, Amsterdam's been the home of modern genetics on this side of the ocean, with the coffeeshop scene encouraging at least a base level of quality.
UK bud doesn't have that same provenance. There are some famous cuts, sure - Exodus, Blues etc. But nothing else that implies any guarantee of quality. But, of course, with the same seeds and equipment, there's no reason UK bud couldn't theoretically compete with the best. Indeed, nearly all the best buds I've ever had have been UK grown. I'd never specifically choose Dutch over UK and I actively avoid marketed Cali in the UK (it's either fake, reject or over-priced!).
The one origin label that does prick my ears up is Canada. I believe their gear has a lot of the same advantages, but isn't exploited in the same way. If I want cheap, reliable quality, Canadian vendors top the charts. But for pristine high end, I stick with good growers of nice genetics in the UK.
Cali is Cali, you know when its from Cali, its got that certain... thing.
UK Cali, is just a cali strain grown here in the UK.
I know many people who will only smoke Real Cali. And many who say its not worth the extra price tag.
Personally, smoke/price the UK Grown hold their own just as well, if the growers done a good job.
The UK Cali strains just switch the flavours up a little bit so your not smoking the same thing all the time, and you can rely on the strain being a decent one.
^^ Personal opinion.
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UK Cali, is just a cali strain grown here in the UK.
I know many people who will only smoke Real Cali. And many who say its not worth the extra price tag.
Personally, smoke/price the UK Grown hold their own just as well, if the growers done a good job.
The UK Cali strains just switch the flavours up a little bit so your not smoking the same thing all the time, and you can rely on the strain being a decent one.
^^ Personal opinion.
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GF
I had alsorts of cali an tbf the only thing that's real good is how much they trim their leaves. but ive had just as good uk grown or in dam coffee shops so i think cali quality can be grown anywhere if you know how
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I agree 100%. And if it is Cali weed, surely traveling and packaging would have caused some damage from compression and heat changes and sitting in plastic bags for possibly days on end. If u get from a grower direct and they grow well, other than it being tested and having label saying how much THC etc it should be as good or better. BUT as legal they have more chance to hunt phenos and share genetics so they do have that in their side. But most Cali is probably Albanian weed in a nice baggy lol
If you have the right seeds and know what you're doing then there shouldn't be much difference, that said a lot of uk weed is rushed without the proper flushing and drying due to the risk of loosing it all when you could sell it.
I made my own cross back in 2003 with a pure haze (m) and a bubbleberry (f) to this day its the finest weed ive ever smoked! I only grew out two seeds and it went 14 weeks both phenos were almost identical.
Ive also grown other cuts of various strains in hydro, soil and outside in the uk, all methods produced different results in the plants appearance, smell, taste and effect.
For example the cuts grown outside were so different you would have thought it was a completely different strain! The high was very uplifting and mild compared with the hydro which was a heavy couchlock effect.
I put this down to the difference in light spectrum from the sun (full spectrum inc uv) I believe this changes the terpene and cannabinoid profile in the plant.
Ive also run metal halide exclusively and noted a difference compared with hps ie it is more similar to sunlight at midday you will definitely see way less stretch and the flowers are more dense and flavoursome but will lose a little yeild. I finally settled on mh for the first 3 weeks afer switch then hps for the remainder of flowering. Next time i grow i will be using diy led cobs with the aim of getting 1.8g /w
My point here really is to agree with the op a good pheno grown well, flushed properly and dried cured properly ( MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR IN FINAL PRODUCT) will always compare to cali/dutch etc imo.
If you really want something special do what they do but on a smaller scale they will grow out 100's of seeds from an unstable f1 cross and find a phenotype that is rather special! Good luck stabilising it and preserving the desirable traits in seed form though!
In fact this is what happened with cheese it was a freak pheno that was only available as a clone for a long time. I suspect the seed form now is not nearly as nice as the original cutting? Sorry for going off on one i just wanted to share my experiences experiments.
On another note some of the oldschool strains will put modern cali strains to shame for example bubbleberry from sagmartha seeds, super silver haze to name a few people always want the latest thing it doesnt mean its the best!
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Ive also grown other cuts of various strains in hydro, soil and outside in the uk, all methods produced different results in the plants appearance, smell, taste and effect.
For example the cuts grown outside were so different you would have thought it was a completely different strain! The high was very uplifting and mild compared with the hydro which was a heavy couchlock effect.
I put this down to the difference in light spectrum from the sun (full spectrum inc uv) I believe this changes the terpene and cannabinoid profile in the plant.
Ive also run metal halide exclusively and noted a difference compared with hps ie it is more similar to sunlight at midday you will definitely see way less stretch and the flowers are more dense and flavoursome but will lose a little yeild. I finally settled on mh for the first 3 weeks afer switch then hps for the remainder of flowering. Next time i grow i will be using diy led cobs with the aim of getting 1.8g /w
My point here really is to agree with the op a good pheno grown well, flushed properly and dried cured properly ( MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR IN FINAL PRODUCT) will always compare to cali/dutch etc imo.
If you really want something special do what they do but on a smaller scale they will grow out 100's of seeds from an unstable f1 cross and find a phenotype that is rather special! Good luck stabilising it and preserving the desirable traits in seed form though!
In fact this is what happened with cheese it was a freak pheno that was only available as a clone for a long time. I suspect the seed form now is not nearly as nice as the original cutting? Sorry for going off on one i just wanted to share my experiences experiments.
On another note some of the oldschool strains will put modern cali strains to shame for example bubbleberry from sagmartha seeds, super silver haze to name a few people always want the latest thing it doesnt mean its the best!
Big up Ukgrower2
Great thread. I’ve enjoyed reading all the replies but what sticks with me is that same doubt... I don't think much genuine Cali grown weed makes it over here... as you've said, there are loads of UK producers making very convincing ‘counterfeit’ Cali packaging. Its crap.
In my very limited experience of what I have had/seen that has been sold as Cali is that it is always rock hard, dense bud that has been very decently trimmed and there is never any sugar leaf. Other than that...isn't it just really strong weed???
I have always asked myself what is it that Cali growers can do that UK growers supposedly can't?? It's all indoors so we should be able to replicate the exact same conditions anywhere in the world no? Admittedly it must be a lot easier to create/maintain a professional grow in a place where it is legal to do so but technique and equipment wise, aren't we all on a level playing field now?
Also, I still have the whole 'how long does it take to physically transport wholesale weed from California to here'...and how the hell could it possibly get to us in tip top condition??? Surely if it is legit from Cali, it is past it's best by the time it's taken weeks to get here getting battered about the whole time?...
I can't personally see why UK weed couldn't in theory be as good as anything grown anywhere in the world...unless I have missed something?
I have always asked myself what is it that Cali growers can do that UK growers supposedly can't?? It's all indoors so we should be able to replicate the exact same conditions anywhere in the world no? Admittedly it must be a lot easier to create/maintain a professional grow in a place where it is legal to do so but technique and equipment wise, aren't we all on a level playing field now?
Also, I still have the whole 'how long does it take to physically transport wholesale weed from California to here'...and how the hell could it possibly get to us in tip top condition??? Surely if it is legit from Cali, it is past it's best by the time it's taken weeks to get here getting battered about the whole time?...
I can't personally see why UK weed couldn't in theory be as good as anything grown anywhere in the world...unless I have missed something?
Yes, you raise some good points... smuggle cail weed to the UK by the ton in tins... or smuggle coke.
Theres a guy on Insta from London ( ish ) called "Slapsta designs " I think and the guy is churning out thousands of 3.5g bags, tins, glass pots etc. Not weed, just bag etc and it's getting bought and filled by UK guys with...... Cali weed, pull the other one, maybe its just good UK weed, or not so good
Theres a guy on Insta from London ( ish ) called "Slapsta designs " I think and the guy is churning out thousands of 3.5g bags, tins, glass pots etc. Not weed, just bag etc and it's getting bought and filled by UK guys with...... Cali weed, pull the other one, maybe its just good UK weed, or not so good
Exactly! Makes no sense to me that any serious smuggler would choose to move weed from California to the UK! Talk about hassle... Coke, meth, anything else moves easier with bigger profit... boggles my mind that people can import wholesale Cali weed in this day and age...
Also, yeah... just go to Calipacks UK on the net and you really do start to question a lot of things....
Also, yeah... just go to Calipacks UK on the net and you really do start to question a lot of things....
I agree, I've seen plenty for sale on here in the same packaging that's on ebay. If it was from the US it would be compressed into bricks, not loose in tins of 3.5g.
As you say what is being sold in the uk is very unlikely to be Cali weed just tins and hype.. But I lived in Netherlands for a while and visited there over the years, tried stuff all over.. Definitely in Amsterdam theres some not so good not properly cured weed for tourists but then at the same time I tried Barneys g13 haze the year it won the cup and it was soooo strong beautifully cured etc.. Never smoked anything like it in the uk or elsewhere in europe weed wise.. The thing about a dutch setup is that they have been growing and keeping mothers since the late 70s if I m correct.. From my experience with seeds it s very dependent on a variety of factors for example i ve never come across good seeds from greenhouse seeds.. Also it really is in the genes so the dutch and the calis can keep the best clones for years.. The amazing thing about Cali and the uk to a certain extent was that they shared the clones whereas in the netherlands there was little sharing as far as I m aware.. re the setups in cali now they can spend huge money on systems without fear of everything being taken away (indoors) whereas in the Netherlands it was never legal only tolerated... In the uk its definitely harder to get away with the growing than netherlands and youll have bigger probs with the law.. In theory with the right mama, the know how and the right equipment you could grow equally as good pot as cali indoors.. But outdoors obviously some if not nearly all strains grow better in Cali.. The thing about Cali also is that so many strains originate from there, there has been such a big grow culture there since the 70s with the back to landers in n cali.. strains like the Haze strains are from 2 brothers (the Haze brothers) and skunk from skunkman sam etc etc the list goes on and on..Nice to see a good ol civilised chat on here.. I just came across this site as I ve been looking for some nice to quality hash.. I used to use dreammarket then nightmare and they exit scammed .. I found a few vendors on dream that sold excellent quality hash very reasonable top grade for approx 280 euro an oz.. when nightmare exited new sites popped up n I went to top rated vendors and bought numerous very nice looking smelling tasting stuff with unoticeable amount of thc so i stopped for last 9 months r year .. I thought i d try again and I found this site .. Has anyone any recommendations for any vendors here for hq hash ? only interested in potent to very potent , long time smoker here.. Thanks peace out
There is a website think it's called calipacks.co.uk got all the bags tins and tubs on there with customizable labels ect!
I have never trusted the bags or tins in the uk they just never seemed legit just another gimmick to double the price of decent bud
I have never trusted the bags or tins in the uk they just never seemed legit just another gimmick to double the price of decent bud
Maybe it's just that if someones done a truly excellent job of growing they will label it as Cali.
The Cali characteristics seem to be a really clean burn and very compact buds - which is amazing, but who knows where it was grown? All I know is, I've never come across harsh, unflushed or nutrient burned "Cali".
Another thing I've noticed is, I think the effort put into growing is way more important than what the strain is.
The Cali characteristics seem to be a really clean burn and very compact buds - which is amazing, but who knows where it was grown? All I know is, I've never come across harsh, unflushed or nutrient burned "Cali".
Another thing I've noticed is, I think the effort put into growing is way more important than what the strain is.
"Maybe it's just that if someones done a truly excellent job of growing they will label it as Cali."
Yes, unfortunately far too much of that.
Yes, unfortunately far too much of that.
there's a lot more science and consistancy in cali weed.. they've been able to study and learn the plant legally for last 20 odd years within the medical era with the correct resources therefore they have a lot more knowledge of what the plant requires and needs
any top shelf cali that has been packaged properly and licensed wouldve gone through testing too before hitting the shelves, to make sure there are no pesticides etc.
any top shelf cali that has been packaged properly and licensed wouldve gone through testing too before hitting the shelves, to make sure there are no pesticides etc.
I'm not convinced, yes they have been at it for ages, but so have the Dutch... and they still grow in the same manner as most.
Lights / good feed and a bit of TLC. Theres a case for using reverse osmosis water but it's not proven as it strips essential minerals out of the water, so they need to be re added.
The clue is in the name "weed" theres no magic science that only the guys in cali know of.
I get your point of consistency of environment but with the right resources, that isn't out of reach.
Have you seen large scale cali grows, they are similar to large scale grows all over the world.
Thanks for your input Hootan, always good to hear other peoples views
Lights / good feed and a bit of TLC. Theres a case for using reverse osmosis water but it's not proven as it strips essential minerals out of the water, so they need to be re added.
The clue is in the name "weed" theres no magic science that only the guys in cali know of.
I get your point of consistency of environment but with the right resources, that isn't out of reach.
Have you seen large scale cali grows, they are similar to large scale grows all over the world.
Thanks for your input Hootan, always good to hear other peoples views
its still illegal to grow weed in holland. they have to learn the plant in secret making it so much harder. also they grow recreational weed.. which is really just for the average consumer who doesnt care what they smoke aslong as they get their high. their tech in cali is far more advanced than any other place on the planet, and thats why their weed is the best.
What tech make it far more advanced than any other place on the planet? You know the UK grow tons of medical weed, and they grow just like the cali labs.
And you think the stuff that supposedly comes from these super advanced labs is the stuff we get in the UK... eventhough its illegal to ship it to the UK. Or is it at best, opportunist from cali growing in a warehouse in standard conditions and smuggling it into the UK.... or maybe it's not from cali.
Not trying to rub you up the wrong way, just chatting, but claiming it's the best because it's more advanced or that they've been doing it longer is marketing speil without substance.
And you think the stuff that supposedly comes from these super advanced labs is the stuff we get in the UK... eventhough its illegal to ship it to the UK. Or is it at best, opportunist from cali growing in a warehouse in standard conditions and smuggling it into the UK.... or maybe it's not from cali.
Not trying to rub you up the wrong way, just chatting, but claiming it's the best because it's more advanced or that they've been doing it longer is marketing speil without substance.
The Cali strain thing, to me, is just hype. It just means the strain genetic was produced in California...highly doubt any of it is "flown here not grown here". Having raised this topic in coffeeshops in Amsterdam, they say its flown in....yet their Twitter accounts show them growing it, stage by stage hahaha. When asking in a cannabis social club in Spain, they told me they grow it themselves. Other coffeeshops in the Dam have also told me the cali flown in thing is bollocks. As you say, tins are available on ebay in bulk. That says it all. Ive also had friends give me nugs out of "cali tins" that cost £50 for 3.5g and its been standard commercial weed.
I think the deal with dutch weed is their experience on a commercial basis. Spain are winning the game in my eyes though! If you get a genuine spanish import you are in luck!! It will be lovely! As with Dutch imports....its not too hard to shift weed around Europe. But the risk to import from the U.S just wouldnt be worth it IMO.
I think the deal with dutch weed is their experience on a commercial basis. Spain are winning the game in my eyes though! If you get a genuine spanish import you are in luck!! It will be lovely! As with Dutch imports....its not too hard to shift weed around Europe. But the risk to import from the U.S just wouldnt be worth it IMO.
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Looking for Uk vendors that can get African bush weed Malawi/Congolese etc
I believe cannabis production for 'medicinal' ahem, purposes, has just been legalized in Malawi. This might well start cropping up in some form soon?