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2outof00
by  2outof00
Cannabis legalisation UK
So... I'm sure this topic predates my membership of LB, but I'm surprised at how rarely it seems to come up.

This has got to be one of the biggest communities of cannabis users & cultivators in the UK; surely we are best placed to mobilise and push the legalisation agenda?

Are there any activists out there? What can we do to help? There is an election on the horizon - is this not a vote-winner?
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British Bulldog
I obviously have skin in the game so my opinion may be biased, but i would be careful what you wish for in terms of legalisation.

In the states in many cases large corporations are squeezing smaller artisan growers out of the business. Once these corporations gain the majority market share inevitably (as always happens in these cases) the price goes up and the quality goes down. Not to mention the taxes the government will put on weed, which will be astronomical.

Eventually a 'grey' market is created where registered growers sell directly to customers rather than to dispensaries, which is essentially what already exists on here. The difference is that sellers on here could easily raise their prices if the 'legal' weed is hyper expensive due to taxes and corporate profits.

If you want to watch a documentary which covers this subject, along with many others, try ‘Murder Mountain’ on Netflix. It’s fantastic. There’s one particular episode that goes into detail about the legalisation process, the beurocracy and red tape that comes with it, how it negatively affects growers in Humbolt County, and eventually negatively impacts consumers.

Bottom line is nothing good ever comes from multinational businesses getting their teeth into things like cannabis, which as sure as the nose on my face they will if it becomes fully legal. Next thing you know people will be buying shitty weed from the Apple Store for £100 a gram.

Just my 2p though, I could be wrong.

Cheers. BB
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db365
yep, i went down the rabbit hole of documentaries re the various legal sates in the US and Canada and it looks pretty shit, strangely, especially from a Brit. Tbh as long as RM don't join the striking community I'm good having the postie deliver my illegal weed from here, from 'non apple types' .....
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generation last
hey i've found apple to be very supportive
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2outof00
I'm sure the inner workings of the US industry are shit, but I personally had a great time going around all the dispensaries in California! It's hard to deny that they're pushing the standard of modern phenotypes to whole new level.
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ConanVsCrom
RM preparing to vote for strike action I am afraid! Would be one day only, and you should be supporting striking workers standing up against big business
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Jimmy_Bison
Im now a legal patient who has THC flower prescribed and it’s fucking brilliant. The flower isn’t best I’ve had but believe me I’ve had a lot worse.

If we were to stand together and legalise then my advice would be to jump through the legal hoops and all become patients, however like BB said, we might ruin everything that we hold dear.

If you would like more info on how to become legal then please feel free to DM at any time.
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2outof00
Enjoyed reading this!

Personally, I think there is plenty of room for dual markets - i.e. artisanal & mass market - like with most consumables. Quality is always going to come at a premium, with or without prohibition. The UK is much smaller & left-leaning than the States so things like grower collectives could be much easier to organise. Tax is one of the best arguments for legalisation in my opinion... imagine modernising the social care system with all that revenue!

I think your point about grey markets is well made, I can imagine a situation where incredibly restrictive laws are put in place to stop grassroots marketplaces like LB existing. That would be something to avoid. Perhaps a more coffee shop style system would be better than dispensaries? i.e. 'from farm-to-table', but for weed?

I watched Murder Mountain a while back; again, I wonder if those American-style problems would find their way here? Jury's out!

I say leave kids to their shitty disposable vapes & let the grown-ups use up all the good stuff! There are big things at stake; standardised dosage (how much is too much?), international trade (Afghanistan can't sell one of their biggest crops!), reducing the prison population overnight etc.

I don't think you're wrong at all - I think these are the sorts of discussions that need to happen, and LB is the right place for it! 'The Reddit for British cannabis culture': has a ring to it!

All the best!
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brakefast
i respect what you are saying but on a base level it disgusts me that we plead with anyone for what we as human beings wish to do harmlessly, like they own us somehow.

taking real action with like minded people, building a community with better commercial behavior than what the law enforces and controlling my identity and privacy, i'd rather be a bigga than a beggar.
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2outof00
Point very well made. I agree on a personal level, but it's hard to ignore the negative impact prohibition has on wider society. I worked a teaching role a few years ago and sniffer dogs were ready at the entrance to bust kids! Made me so angry. Surely that approach to weed (of all things!) has to end!?

I got sniffed so much - smell clings to leather shoes, phone case etc - that they gave me a sort of amnesty, probably because I was clearly sober at work. The kids thought it was hilarious!
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ilsenator
It's not a vote-winner in the UK, unfortunately. There's very little political motivation to legalise. Even though broad sentiment towards cannabis in the UK is tolerant, it might lose some votes for the Tories - and Starmer doesn't support legalisation. Sadiq Khan's the only one taking an interest.

That might be a good thing. If Sadiq Khan pushes for legalisation/liberalisation in London, we could end up with that happy medium of 'official tolerance'. We all want to be able to smoke openly/socially and have nice places to do so.

The only other impetus behind legalisation is economic. And that's something the current Tory lot might be very open to. Sadly, I think that's how it would happen if it does anytime soon. And then, like @British Bulldog says, the whole scene will get whack-a-moled with corporate hammers.
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British Bulldog
"...we could end up with that happy medium of 'official tolerance'. We all want to be able to smoke openly/socially and have nice places to do so."

Good point well made i agree with that 100%.

Cheers. BB
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2outof00
https://twitter.com/lbc/status/1483006601850236932?lang=en

Even for Starmer this was impressively shit. The caller made an excellent point as well.
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Bigbum
Imo if we all worked together and smoked weed as often as possible outside police stations then they would have to stop arresting people. Otherwise they won’t have time for anything else;)
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2outof00
I had that exact thought last week! Imagine if the millions of cannabis smokers engaged in mass civil disobedience... Kind of like what happens in London every 4/20, except every weekend.
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Bigbum
Or every day;)
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Nickm
This is a market place. Plenty of sites for activists of all types elsewhere
Although,to be honest,there isn't a good legalization organization in the UK.
Hell, weeds virtually de facto decriminalized anyway
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2outof00
I respectfully disagree. There are plenty of marketplaces out there, none of them have an active forum - let alone one as active as this. The userbase on here dwarfs any legalisation group out there.

Agreed there is no coherent legalisation movement in the UK - exactly why I posted this topic!
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Noxa88
To me it’s fucking ironic the U.K. is the largest producer of medical cannabis in the world yet it’s not legal, not even decriminalised. I honestly can’t believe the greedy bastards haven’t cottoned onto the tax angle of it yet, seems a total no brainer to me, the police are begging for it, the tax revenue left on the table is ridiculous, the jobs it would create. It’ll happen I have zero doubts but it’s the U.K. everything works at a snails pace in this regard, but I believe it’s happen fast when it does happen, first decriminalisation will suddenly happen then fully legality and weed shops will follow very soon after. Imo it could have been the UK’s real hook but as usual the powers that be miss a trick.
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2outof00
Totally agree, a whole new source of revenue potentially worth billions. The conversation always stagnates when it's simply about wealth distribution vs austerity... so many holes in public spending could be plugged virtually overnight.
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Fly420
I see many petitions on direct gov about cannabis legalisation but not many people vote for it?
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2outof00
One of them was 'considered for discussion in Parliament' a while back, but didn't get very far! Most people who use cannabis know where to get their gear and don't feel like petitioning the government, I suppose.
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