I suffer greatly. I have a toxic family that doesn't help. Cut out the booze, start exercising and building from the inside. Weight training really helps me. You haven't messed up your life. Tomorrow is a new day. Small steps, little and often. Slowly, day by day you can build. You are not alone.

Thanks mate but tried it all. Managed to give up the booze for a year. Went to the gym four times a week, went swimming, did other shit. Made no difference. Ended up so suicidal my GP did an urgent referral to a psychiatrist. Still under their care and on the drugs they prescribed. Had already done four years on Prozac and four and half years on Sertraline before I saw them. Now been on "California Rocket Fuel" a combination of Venlafaxine and Mirtazapine for six years. Still depressed as fuck which is what has led me here. Considering microdosing shrooms next. Anything to provide some release.

Can't recommend microdosing because I haven't tried it but I know there are lots of studies going on.

I would recommend the Wim Hof method for you as I have to others. Look at any one of his you tube vids and check that comment section.

Ptsd, anxiety, depression, auto immune conditions, skeletal problems and many more suffering individuals are reaping the benefits of cold water therapy and some breathwork.

I started over a year ago and have witnessed the benefits first hand.

Say no to pharma
Get high on your own supply

It may seem patronising, I do not mean to be. I don't know what hardships you've had

Sometimes I have thought too that life can be shitty and wouldn't it be great to change it

often times we cannot

we can only change our perception. I have sometimes allowed the external pressure of life to take its control and impact my mood. I have recently become aware of the fact that everything in this world around us is actually within us and we are a part of all of it.

We use our senses to interact with the world around us. The experience of all of it is 100% an internal affair. We have the power to decide if that twat at work makes us angry. We can decide whether we allow that person or life situation to affect us. To give someone or something the power to affect us in such ways is slavery unto ourselves.

Don't listen to the voice in your head telling you your shit or life is shit. That voice is not you. You are deeper than that. If you look and leave all the shit outside the gate you may find the peace within you.

Cold showers, breathwork, meditation. That's my best advice. Hope it helps

All the best brother

Great advice ❤️

Ohh mate, I hear you and been on most of these and some heavy pain stuff.

Everyone’s different, let’s get that out there. What works for some might not others, for me.

Outside of the advice and activities I’ve mentioned. I had to learn and read about how the brain works, how we manage our feelings and stuff. Some are boring but others can really help you visualise the demon AND understand yours and how to keep them at bay day at a time to slowly improve.

Change is hard and slow but never too late!

Mirtzapine was my final med before I was off them for good ( just weed, coffee and gaming now, and a good bit of porn).

It was a very hard journey, but set a written plan, have a wall of activities, some you’ll hate for the mood, some might work .

You’re a smart fella I’ve read most your posts, you got this.

Cbd weed is good too now, nice flavours and feeling without being baked.

Care looking at path of new drug to replace and fix issue, need to drill down and find your demon and it’s tactics to rid ❤️

I'm really sorry to hear that, man. I hope you at least get some respite this weekend. But, there are many of us here to listen. If your own cloud is grey, try to be a rainbow on someone else's... If I am unhelpable, then maybe I can help someone else. Wishing you well today.

We can highly recommend micro-dosing and have many clients that use it for depression. We know from personal experience shroomies help alot too. Only thing is with these kinds of meds is you cannot be taking any big pharma stuff or use alcohol in anyway. And as much as we love herb and believe in the power it has too, its better to use it when you're in a good mental state otherwise it could actually make things worse...that's our experience anyway.

Its best to not only rely on one thing like friends said here below...exercise..healhty diet...who you surround yourself with combined with the use of psychedelics is a good place to start :-) and of course then there is Ayahuasca...there are many tools but in the end its all about your will...you need to really want to change your life...own it and then things will start to change ;-)

Best of luck friend

Might sound silly to some, but do you game at all mate?

Age is irrelevant there’s a game for everyone ❤️

Online one would let you find little community too, and there’s always someone awake around the world to chill with.

Helps keep mind occupied on game, and then social elements too 👍

Only game I play is an MMO called World of Tanks. Been playing it off an on for ten years. Sometimes I can get lost in it, but it's become harder recently.

Ohhh nice did you ever check out the warship one?

I used to play a destroyer 💪

Never really appealed to me, not sure why. Just something about the tanks ticks the right boxes for me. 😊👍

Dude world of warships is so sick! not gonna lie, a friend of mine used to play this game and at a point he wanted to play with me together, I was instantly hooked by the game, it really is fun :)

Or you can lose yourself in 15hrs of techno and progressive on my Spotify playlist

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5h8gaFSmZgh1YDYm4M1jub?si=42479276977d4d9b

Would you like to try a guided meditation?

I can link a good one

Hello Khasi,
sorry to hear that you experience your life the way you do. Since we are not knowing each other we dont know in what kind of situation you are in and the way you got to this point of depression. We don’t recommend drug consume when feeling lonely or depressed since it is a devils circle which will make you even more mentally dependent. Life is not shit, life is your responsibility and what you make out of it. Most important thing is to distract yourself the right way, do sports and what you like and what you are passionate about,eat healthy, tomorrow you can always be the better version of the yesterday, every single day. Anyways we wish you just the best in coping with your depression, stay safe and feel hugged, you are not the only one suffering from depression.
<3

its hard to motivate exercise or even a walk when you feel like this but it has a better success ratio than weed when you are really in the hole mate.

jah bless.

Try find hobby, go outside try not to spend lots of time sitting home, riding bike helps me a lot

Fair point. One of the problems with depression is that it kills your motivation. It gets harder to get out and do new things. I walk my dog 4.5 miles a day and that does help. I used to cycle commute every day when I was working! But I'm 67 now and not in the best physical health.

I’m really sorry to hear that you are having a tough time. Depression is tough and especially when you’re having struggles with your health.

Trying to do what you can to be active is helpful, I found doing mindfulness pretty helpful. I was sceptical but found it pretty positive to take some time out and quiet the noise in your mind and also help you be a bit kinder to yourself.

I’m not sure self-medicating is easy to get right.

I find some kinds of weed helpful some have the opposite effect. Cbd can be good for anxiety and there seems to be a good amount of evidence that psilocybin can help with depression, whether that be the larger dose or micro. Whether that’s right for your situation I don’t know.

I hope that you find some way through things and manage to get into a more positive state of mind.

Eye of the tiger and all that jazz.

Thanks man for such a thoughtful comment. I agree self-medicating is a very inexact science and so easy to get wrong. That said, my own experience of how inexact medicating by professionals can be makes me think experimenting personally and following your instincts to try new things has the potential to lead you to positive outcomes.

Good point, I think you’re right.

Hi Khasi

I'm sorry to hear what you are going through.

If anything this thread is 40+ posts so you're not alone.

I went through this 6 years ago and it took a while for it to stop.

Now am wary of pharma treatments as I've seen several people get hooked without thier symptoms improving or going away.

What is more there is controversial evidence regarding Prozac possibly increasing suicidal thoughts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoxetine

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2000/may/22/drugs.uknews

If you can get hold of the latest New Scientist magazine there is an article about latest findings about depression and possible new treatments, I haven't bought it yet:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25734220-100-fresh-ideas-about-the-causes-of-depression-are-bringing-new-treatments

Now there is plenty of good advice and supprt from nice biggas in this thread but I would offer a word of warning about mushrooms: do not use them on your own.

I do that myself but am a user with 25+ years of experience. They can send you to heaven but also to hell so do not try to self-medicate with psychedelics.

If you want to try them by any means try to join one of the experimental UK studies in a clinical setting with a medical professional.

I hope you do get better

Your not alone Khasi. I live in a caravan in a field in the middle of nowhere on my own. Not by choice but as a result of really painful split with the mother of my child who I still love and care for to this day. I suffer terribly with loneliness, self doubt and depression. 3 years on my own and I still don't feel independent or strong and at times I've wanted to give up. I get through it because I believe it will change and because I want to see my daughter grow up and be happy.
Drugging yourself does not make you happy. Booze makes you more sensitive and clouds your head, weed can make you overthink everything and while they may numb your pain and help you drop off it will wear off at about 3am and you'll wake up and be restless and feel depressed.
We all make mistakes in life, I know I have, but to forever see yourself in a bad light is harmful to you and others. I'm sure you've done some good things in your life, whether for yourself or helping others. Remember those things and give yourself some credit. Now plan to go and help someone, do a nice thing for somebody. They will see the real you and that is who they will remember. You will hopefully see a change in yourself when you feel appreciated. Happiness comes from what you give not what you get. Good luck my friend, Feel free to message via this post anytime. I'll always listen and help if I can :)

I just wanted to thank you for your comment LionOfJudah. I took a lot from it.

Bro/sis ur right life is shit!! But it can be better!!! Sometimes you just need to sit bk and reevaluate your life,goals,aspirations and see how you put the shit in a bag and in the bin.... there's always gonna be that bit shit in ur life its just how you deal with it that matters... my other half has depression and she has just recently started on a vape and it's changed her moods dramatically... I've never been a fan of doctors depression/mood medication as its all just basically shit... everyone's different bro try what natural medicine you can... its on this planet for a reason bro.... Best of luck to you ✌️✌️✌️

Are you a homeowner?

Yes mate. Still paying a mortgage till I'm 75 if I live that long.

Ever thought about selling up and moving somewhere cheaper or just going to do voluntary work in some hot country?

Maybe if I was younger mate but I'm 67. I wouldn't have the energy. Plus I have two kids and my house always remains their home for when they want to visit. And I'm still being treated for cancer so kind of want to stick with what I know if you know what I mean.

Sorry I forgot about that last bit.

No worries mate 👍

Hi Khasi

I didn't know you have cancer.

Hopefully you're one of those people who have a good loving relaitonship with their kids - hopefully.

Going back to the mushrooms if anything you might want to get in touch with the folks at the Imperial College London Psychedelic Research Centre - they are looking for participants for a microdoing clinical trial:

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/psychedelic-research-centre/trials/microdosing-study-20/

There is also one at King's College London:

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/research/psilocybin-in-depression-resistant-to-standard-treatments-psider-study

I'm not trying to tell you what to do but whatever you do do not take mushrooms on your own if you never had any.

💯

life is some journey. we probably do it to ourselves. choices and decisions old boy, bit of a buzz kill but do this = that. if i drink those beers (i drink) what is the likely result. hugs and uggs x

believe me I know mate. I have 67 years of choices, decisions and actions to mull over and regret. I've fucked my own life up, that's one thing I'm under no illusions about!

i've been in rehearsals (character development) 44 years.

Wish I could say it gets better. Hope it does for you mate.

thank you mate, i feel life is getting better. rolling this nice j

You sound like a fellow thesp! Go theatre!

Chin up, you sound like a good person, i've respect for my elders, some older folks are nasty and bitter.
I'm never lonely, was bitten by Christianity at a very early age and my faith keeps me going.
I was content and comfortable with the thought of physical death as early as my late teens /very early twenties.
This life is just a ride.💫🙏

this bigga

Try and be more positive man, you can't change yesterday, but tomorrow is always better!

67 years young. There is always time to change. Remember to use 'up to now' more because forever is a long time!

Apparently you can mix it with yoghurt and/or sprinkle it in on your cereals🤩
I have to say I won’t be trying either of these🥴

😂🤣😂🤣I getting a feeling it's something for the "budget" stoner!

Smoking 🔥 it will get you high…but yup that’s a budget high👍

That's the way, if needs must... Definitely beats trying to eat it 🤮Haven't had to do that since the mflb was the cool new vape, some edibles still make me feel sick if they have that avb taste 😂

Save a ton, wash it then make canna coconut oil and use that to make edibles. Highest I've ever been.

I make butter from mine, I follow the below but tend to add a bit more avb just to be sure. I then freeze the butter for a rainy day and use in cookies or just a spoonful in a coffee. Have a few family members that need to medicate and are on a low budget so always give them a batch when I see them.
I use a dynavap and do toast my bud but there is still plenty of use left in it to make a potent butter
http://goodandbaked.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/make-cannabutter-with-samuel-l-jackson.jpg

Love that recipe!

Here is my recipe.

Avb mixed with the bin;)

If your avb has 20% of the thc left then maybe you vape needs an upgrade;) what vape are you rocking ?

Haha, good point mate. Only going on what I read, could be total bollocks! My vape is a budget model, a Nebula Fuzion. Would love something better but times are hard. Don't have the money.

That’s a bummer as a good vape makes a difference. How dark is your avb ? Any green left?

No, no green, pretty brown and crispy. Did have doubts there was any good left in it to be honest.

I think there would be some cannabinoids left but I doubt 20%. Some people do cook with it but I used to save it for if I ran out of bud and need something;)

I make qwiso hash. Its black and tastes bad. But hellava kick.

Thanks for the tip. Sounds interesting 👍

Water cure it for a week or so to remove the taste. Then, infuse in coconut oil in a kilner jar heated in a slow cooker water bath (4+ hours)... Use a cheesecloth to strain and use in food. It works... I use about 28g+ for a batch of cookies (28 or so)... Enjoy.

I get the thinking behind consuming AVB but not the rationale behind it. If someone is taking only one or two draws on a vape, for example, it is because they don't want to get too high, for whatever reason. If it's a tolerance thing then why would they want to save some for an edible hit and a potentially stronger effect? (Ok the AVB edible will more than likely be weak, I suppose?)
If it's not tolerance then surely it is just a waste? (I'm not in the mood to get pissed, so I will open this high strength lager and take a couple of mouthfuls and pour the rest in jar to drink later... who does that? Just drink a light ale.)
I would say it is better to vape until dark brown and use the correct strength of weed according to circumstance and if you don't want to get "too high" - maybe don't indulge at that time or take a smaller dose?

Made my own AVB butter (using coco oil) one time, had success with herb cannabutter so know what I'm doing. Even water cured the AVB, took effing ages to get the final product. Tried a couple of times with no "high" and just got headache and felt groggy/sleepy - Now if that's what you want, then fine but it's not for me! :)

I can tell you my rationale.
Vaping bends my mind but doesn’t do much bodily beyond a little ease. Vaping at higher temps or 1 hit bowl clearance just makes me anxious and adds back a lot of the worst chemicals I quit smoking to avoid.
So I vape lightly but still thoroughly toasted (dynavap) then use abv to make edibles that put me on my back and make the music go wahwah. Will also occasionally vape concentrates to bridge the space between.

That's fair enough Gunga Din. I agree with you that vaping also gives me a racy, almost anxious, heart rate increase of a high which isn't for everyone but I like to ride the wave, if you like, and tell myself I will calm down and ease off into a mellow high. Which does happen... eventually!!

Ironically I think it is the LACK of certain chemicals - cannabinoids? - that are no longer combusted or at least reached/extracted by average vape temps that leads to a lack of body stone. So your method is suitable in this case and I would recommend it to others.

I think what annoys me is when reading on the net about quitting smoking and switching to vaping herb, it usually mentions your sort of method (again nothing wrong with that!) but if you come from smoking/combusting I would say it isn't satisfying taking a couple of "draws" and throwing the rest in a tossed salad with croutons.

Maybe I'm too harsh on the AVB edible but my AVB edible experiences haven't been up to much.

Each to their own though, eh? :)

Betty Crocker is your best friend, I opt for a cookie mix or a brownie mix. Brownie is better imo as you use egg and milk really gives it something to hold onto as it dances in your stomach. I usually chuck in anywhere from 8g - 18g of avb. Should be enough to keep you conversing sublingually with the spirits on the other side

Also if you have vegetable glycerin then you can infuse that with the AVB or any decarbed bud or hash and make a potent syrup for which extra decarbed bud or hash can be added or substituted if you need the syrup to be stronger 😋 this can be added to drinks or drank straight and is very discreet and could be taken places and consumed stealthily eg that a movie or circus or a day out 🥷

Once I’ve collected some AVB in a jar after vaping for a while then I usually make cannaoil out of 75% of it by infusing cooking oil with the AVB and use an Ardent FX/ Flex for infusing and decarbing. then I get some empty 00 capsules off Amazon they are very cheap and then I fill them with some of the other 25% of the AVB saved from earlier and then fill the rest with the canna oil and they are very discreet and you can dose them depending on the event and requirements 😊 or you can use the canna oil for baking brownies and can always add a bit of other decarbed bud/ hash for extra strength edibles 😋

I'm pretty confident I'm the only person In my small town that knows about LB, I've tried linking some random smokers I've worked with now and again but tbf probably didn't believe me

Fr was a blessing to find this 4 months ago, I’ll continue to give out LB to people I fuck with but I’m just glad I never have to bother with travel and locals anymore.

LB gets mentioned a few times on r/uktrees but the mods turn in to proper bitches and remove any posts mentioning locations or where to buy. I'd hate for LB to get too big to the point it gets the wrong persons attention and gets the silk road treatment. I know zero IRL dealers and depend on this site. PS I can't stand that Drew guy. He seems relatively normal until he randomly does some wierd outburst laugh. And his nails knock me sick.

This. I wasn’t confident enough to use dark web, but if this is taken down I’d have to. LB been up for years tho so I doubt it will go anytime soon

know what you mean about his nails! I'm not a huge fan. but then again I'm old enough to be his grandfather, so not exactly part of the target demographic! agree totally about LB. even though i'm a new boy i can see there's something special here that needs to be protected.

Every toker I know now knows about lb. I've also hooked up a few randoms in my messages after posting on UKtrees. There were loads of people without a plug after London Caviar went awol. I'd like more people to know about lb as I think it would be better for buyers and sellers. But I don't want everyone to know about it.

See, i’m the opposite. A large proportion of my friends are smokers, from casual to habitual, and not one of them has/had heard of LB. Ive introduced 5 who now buy on the site, but not one had heard of it before i showed them around.

i got a couple from uktrees too bro, feels good helping someone out when you know yourself the struggles when you didn't know about these sites.

I actually got IP banned from reddit and have no idea why, sucks because that was my favourite app and It's not the same when you can't comment

i dunno on the one hand i think it's amazing to be in a place where a pro (ok semi pro) youtuber cant keep up with a cool old geezer in a turban.

on the other hand i just wanna tell him to pick something he wants here and ill send the coins to pay if he uses my reference code for an episode.

A few mentions on Reddit might be ok but YouTube is the last place I want to see this site mentioned. If it did start to cave in here it would be messy, even compared to a DNM exit or bust. I'm guessing most people don't use PGP or obsfucation.

don't mean to me the zaphod to your arthur but yeah, i found little biggy on your tube :)

Hi The Khasi of Kalabar,

I have read the comments that have already been said and can't disagree with most of the comments apart from the mushrooms as I can't comment as I have not tried it. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, so they say. Heard good things tho.

Like most BL's that have commented and on the site have had issue / issues at some point or other and ongoing issues.

Now I have went though life so far and up until recently ( within the past year) not had a drink. If you knew me you would have bet your life on me not doing that. Now I have reasons behind that. that I won't go into at this time. I was a functioning alcoholic previous to that about 5/6 years ago. Now I never lost a job and always dealt with what I had to but being hungover was just normal as was drinking 3 bottles a wine a night and having a smoke.

Now I was in a different position and in a toxic relationship where we both liked a drink and removed myself from that. Which was not easy.

There after I started to reduce my booze intake. That would not stop me from counting down the days to my day off so I could have one.

You say about addictive personality. I have went though life and at some point done all your party prescriptions to the extreme but the two consents until recently has always been weed and booze.

Now It's just weed.

Now I have still to try and give up tobacco. Which I'm finding harder than booze.

Now I'm no fucking shrink and feel like the fat PE teacher eating a mars bar telling all the wee fuckers to run faster.

The main issue as I see it and this has been said previously by others. Is dealing with the issue not trying to mask the issue.

Now! not for one seconded do I think this is easy as you sound like you have a lot on your plate.

The main take from what I read,

My biggest problem is loneliness. The depression just follows from that.

From that statement the driving factor is loneliness.

You have made one step in that direction by reaching out on here and having that interaction/ support. Because I have.

As said set goals and make sure that they are within your reach.

Lately I have been hitting the weed hard. So I have set myself a routine. To help lower my consumption. I will never give up weed! (Just being honest) I do however want to give up the tobacco.

I look at it this way. There is so much on the wall that I can't afford but want. Give up the tobacco and add that to my weed budget.

What else do you spend money on that you enjoy? Something positive that will put a smile on ya face?

Just thoughts and letting you know that it can be done.

Good luck and power on! make the most of what you have

thanks for taking the time for such a comprehensive reply mate. Given me a lot to think about.

I’m the same as you mate, I drink a lot more when I’m high (so every day then! 😵‍💫). The higher I get the more I drink. I’ve never been able to grasp the cannabis as a replacement for booze concept- I drink when I’m happy and I drink when I’m sad. I drink in company and I drink alone. My only concession these days is that I only drink the good stuff. Billy Connolly once said he changed his drinking habit by deciding “if you are going to do it, do it well”👍

So no, I don’t think that’s a “perverse” outcome at all. For me cannabis and booze compliment each other perfectly- in fact with complex spirits the cannabis heightens my taste buds and appreciation in the same way as it does with music etc.
The only caveat to that is that I find cannabis compliments booze but booze doesn’t compliment cannabis. So I aim to get high before I drink rather than the other way around. When I was younger we would always do our weed at the end of the night after the pub etc. I think that’s why I didn’t love it nearly as much as I do now.

Not much help huh?…sorry.

I think cannabis overall is a better choice for you than booze but you need to want to make that choice and willpower definitely slips away when high. Try having no booze in the house when you get high. (Wouldn’t work for me as it would take about two years just to run down my stocks😳). We all need to understand what our personal relationship with the drink is and why we do it. I do. I’m not saying it will end well for me but then what does?🤔

Good luck with your trials buddy, wish you well 👍👍

always love reading your thoughtful comments. gives me a lift! thanks for taking the time to reply in depth. I relate to all you said. 👍

That’s really kind, thank you🥰

by the way, what edibles would you recommend on LB?

A lot of my favourites (like Stoney’s Chocolate by Pistach) are not currently available, but these would be my choice right now, they are great:
https://littlebiggy.org/item/UDDjU2Gaqp1mdl38SkSKgV2K/view/p

cheers mate. sound good

Do you smoke / vape a J before ingesting alcohol mate?

i always found a strong J in morning with coffee helped break my morning drink (when I did).

nico, alcohol and diazepam I found harder to break the addiction than when I was on morpheme (and one of highest recorded regular doses at time)!!

Its no joke...

As much as I hate it and saying it, gym or exercise can really help get body and brain in check when quitting something.

set goals and wein while replacing with other bits, gym, cbd and coffee were mine.

IF you even want to quit or cut down of course 👍

If you do, then writing why you want to on paper and sticking it up worked for me. sounds stupid but that physical reminder can help.

Also, I found having a tasty sativa for mornings and strong Indica to switch to night.

it's hard but can be done mate.

know the struggles and hope you get to where you want to ❤️

all good advice. thanks a lot mate. i really do want to cut down (1) because of the effect it's having on my physical health and (2) because of the effect on my mental health. it makes my depression 10 times worse.

Try kratom instead of booze;) also can you change your life? Or unable. Good luck

Could be worth seeing if you can break the addiction on booze.. some folks here sell shroom microdose kits which may have positive benefits for this. If interested have a chat with mycomattic about what your seeking is a knowledgeable vendor. Worth checking if safe to do with cancer treatment tho.

thanks man. have thought about microdosing shrooms. trouble is i live alone and am scared of getting stoned out of my gourd with no help around. been 50 years since i last touched hallucinogenics. that whole scene is scary

I recently did a microdose course and I felt like it really resets your perspective in quite a gentle way.

I took my dose each evening before bed, rather than first thing in the morning because I work with machines and wanted to be safe.

The effects of taking the dose were pretty mild, you certainly don’t trip, but the actual changes at the end of the course were definately noticeable. I felt like i’d broken out of a depressive funk and had reset some of the patterns of thought I’d fallen into.

The vendor I used was the fun guy, I’m sure they would be happy to talk you through the process.

They do recommend that you steer clear of the booze and weed for two weeks before hand.

although I don't really drink, I love the head rush you get from drinking/smoking. I'd consider microdosing on shrooms if all else fails

Oh I forgot. Have you tried naltrexone?

Not tried that. Was put on Acamprosate but it just didn't work for me.

Either ask the doctor or order from India . But a lot of people have success with it. Have a look on Reddit;) take care

well it was worth a try. fell ill a couple of weeks back. felt sure it was covid but tested negative. for some reason was really put off getting high and that tiny opening was all that was needed for the booze to creep back in. now back on super strength cider and whisky. my weed and edibles metaphorically gathering dust. fuck it

Ouch!

Be kind to yourself man…be kind.

Sounds like you’ve had a good night.

That goodness you resisted the urge to have more before it hit. I made that mistake a few weeks back and I was a mess.

Yes I made that mistake with my first try of a vape pen. Hmm not working better have another hit. Four hits later my head exploded!

Wise man!!

I’m too greedy, every time I’ve dabbled with eating it.

Lot gone in first sitting, then I’m beyond stoned for days.

Sounds like a great buzz for the night with tasty gummies too 🤤

Do you smoke on top of the edibles too?

I did vape a bowl later when I was starting to come down from the peak.

I find Graham Hancock’s work fascinating whilst stoned. Fingerprints of the Gods, Magicians of the Gods and Supernatural: Ancient Teachings of Mankind. Are all very interesting talking about a lost civilisation and ties into the ancient Egyptians and Atlantis and other stuff. Worth picking up.

Agreed. Graham Hancock has some interesting theories

Mr Nice - Howard Marks
Snowblind - Robert Sabbag
Waiting for the Man - Harry Shapiro

Haven't read them for a good number of years but I enjoyed them at the time! Second two are quite old so you may have difficulty in find them (at a reasonable price!)

I read Waiting for the Man in pre-internet days. That thrill of looking around a bookshop (yes, shop not website!) and tucked away in the corner some books with a picture of a (looks over both shoulders with a small grin) cannabis leaf... wow a book about drugs... in public. Oh how times have changed! :)

Thanks CB- like everyone I’ve read Mr.Nice but hadn’t come across your other two recommendations. Just bagged both of them off Amazon for £3.49 each delivered (Used “Very Good”)…the Shapiro has been fully updated….I’m going to enjoy those- cheers mate!😻

Good! From memory, Snowblind similar to Mr Nice regarding funny/detailed accounts of the drug trafficking process and WFTM I only have hazy memory of as it was a while back when I read that and it was before the updated version! I just remember it was fun reading about each recent decades music style and drug of choice. Have fun!

Read Snowblind many years ago. Damn good book. 👍

Looks like an interesting evening 🤯

By books you mean 1 paragraph a session, yes?

The SAME one paragraph a hundred times per session! :)

but what a Paragraph

Haha 😂. As I said above I have to be straight while reading. Reading when you're spaced out is the same as watching TV while you're fucked up. You can't remember any of it the next day!

I know this is going to sound weird but I actually enjoy reading when I’m high, although it does depend on the strain. I can pile into some pretty heavy books AND remember what I’ve read. Strange🤷‍♂️

What, you mean you can still follow the story AFTER the cat has sat on the mat? Wow... 😁 :)

Seriously mate I go for the big stories and I often get quite emotional. When I realised they weren’t going to be able to put old Humpty back together again I sobbed😢

And the fat Controller is a right cunt 😡

Bloody hell, thanks for the Trigger warning! Who do I report you too?

I tell you what has just popped in my head. Remember those old Children's books, Ladybird I think. Three little pigs and the like? Some of those pictures could get quite graphic if I remember. No trigger warning in them days, you just shat yourself, got on with it and suffer from night terrors and cold sweats for the rest of your life. :)

Too right…the gratuitous roasting of Bambi’s mum (don’t put that phrase in a search bar🫣) had a profound effect on me and I never much liked venison after that…😞

👍👍…the only thing that does my head in about ‘Fear & Loathing’ is the sheer quantities involved, I just can’t believe that an elephant could remain standing. In the booze version: ‘Leaving Las Vegas’ at least Nicholas Cage is genuinely trying to kill himself! (Great film imo👌)

For modern day drug-athons it’s hard to beat the grit and outrageous humour of Irvine Welsh. Obviously ‘Trainspotting’ is a classic but I love the total sleaze of ‘Filth’, ‘Ecstasy’ & ‘Porno’ …books that really give a clue in the title😂.. and they leave no doubt that Welsh has seen it all.

Joyce had to have been off his noodle on something when he wrote ‘Ulysses’ …it’s the only explanation 🥴

I'd agree about Fear & Loathing, but having just read Thompson's letters (he was a copious letter writer) from the late 60s to the mid 70s, he really was a major stoner. I think he got bored easily and had this restless, almost manic, energy. Think drugs were his way of scratching that itch. As for Joyce, yes! Only read it once and that was about 30 years ago. Keep telling myself I'll read it again one day but haven't done it yet!

Reading Ulysses once is a major achievement mate, I can’t believe anyone has ever read it twice 😂

David Nutt ( Ex government drugs advisor until he said some things the government didn't like so they kicked him out..... ) has a few books you may find interesting.