I find my modalert and waklert completely indistinguishable.

I can understand people calling it paranoia but when hundreds/thousands of people have this suspicion (and all around the same time), that definitely adds some weight to the claims. I don't think anyone is questioning Sun or Hab themselves, even though we all know that their QC regulations are way more laxed than the western world. The effects people are describing are consistent with one another and are consistent with the waves of threads that have popped up in the past in regards to this topic. All that aside, I am one who DO believe there are bad batches from time to time. I've eliminated or reduced any variables and taken one from the questionable batch one day and one from a batch that Ive taken before and had consistent results with. Let me tell you, the difference is night and day. Obviously tolerance, stomach contents, caffein intake, etc can change the effects drastically but on numerous occasions I've done this comparison minimizing any variables and the questionable batch is consistently shit. Why there would even be counterfeits of a medication that is already super chaeap from the source? No clue. Not certain about anything other than I know there are bad batches or counterfeits in circulation. I'm 100% certain. In fact, I even found small differences in the foil strips. Questionable batch foil is ever so slightly thicker and less pliable. It's also heavier on a gram scale. Stamp of batch number and info is a different ink because it fades on areas inconsistently whereas the known good package stamp fades evenly and never to a point where you can't read the text. I'm willing to send this sample to someone to put next to their own known good product to see that there are differences in the packaging if you look closely. Weigh the strip and weigh a known good sample. I don't have one of this thickness gauges that measure the thickness of things accurately but I'm willing to bet that it's thicker than legit moda. I imagine a huge manufacturer like Sun uses manufacturing processes that ensures all the finished packaging is the same. I can understand small variations in the manufacturing process but not the thickness of the foil or ink used. I'll eventually study these different batches enough to come up with a list of tell-tale signs of bunk moda.i do plan on taking different batches samples to someone who can test the ink and someone who knows the manufacturering processes of foil strips. It might look like I'm just imagining things but until y

If it were here I would tend to trust it a lot more. The afinil subreddit has always been moderated corruptly as hell. The current theme is discrediting modafinil to move people to adrafinil powder over at the nootropics sites.

I think armodafinil is a little less tweaky than moda which is considerably less tweaky than adderall.

What if anything are the health differences? Thanks

I like noopept, it's like maybe 25% as powerful, maybe a bit more at peak, and lasts only a few hours but it feels more healthy almost like I'm taking something that helps me long term or at least doesnt' hurt me. I dont get this with moda, I'm impressed by the health studies but I still feel like moda is something the body doesn't want to be taking several times a week.

Where do you get noopept capsules?

Apparently not

"Clinical trials on humans involving taking up to 1200 mg/day for 7–21 days and known incidents of acute one-time overdoses up to 4500 mg did not appear to cause life-threatening effects, although a number of adverse experiences were observed, including excitation or agitation, insomnia, anxiety, irritability, aggressiveness, confusion, nervousness, tremor, palpitations, sleep disturbances, nausea, and diarrhoea."

As of 2004, the FDA is not aware of any fatal overdoses involving modafinil alone (as opposed to multiple drugs, including modafinil).

The amount someone would have to take for such a long time is incredible. There are serious risks to taking anything in excessive doses. Plus, one should always test very small amounts first to see how their body reacts, especially if not part of a doctor-advised regimen.

There's a first for everything, the thing to keep in mind is that modafinil does not have a very long track record. Odds are that 1 day someone will die from modafinil abuse. How? Maybe they have a heart condition they dont known about and they stay awake for days at a time thinking that its sustainable.

Another possibility to OD is through a mix of moda and other substances, the combination of which is not well tested. If anyone has any doubt about this stuff just come to this biggy and we will all try and help sort it out.

No or it wouldn't be here

Good luck vivo and please consider shipping modafnil to the EU from UK, we have trouble with packages from India.

Hi horn7

Thanks for the info; I had no idea there was an issue with sending modafinil to the EU from India! Will definitely consider EU postage options.

Hey man,

I've always been curious as to how you little biggers work. If you employ people if these are organizations that are sellers or more of your grass roots type.

Anyway.....
Peace :)

Does it matter where I live?

No I don't even need to know that or your IRL name. It's all biggy+crypto verse.

There used to be a guy here selling hangover cures I always thought who needs that when you have modafinil.

Yeah I think you need to make like Offspring here. There really isn't a good reason to use both at the same time.

1 Weed is good at the end of the moda trip, an indica is very soothing, when i don't feel like getting trippy I'll use a CBD strain.

2 It's not the same natural feel of cannabis but there really isn't anything I would call toxic at all.

3 Yes

Well put sir I would add that a little sativa actually works well with moda for me but I don't want to get too manic or unfocused so I am pretty conservative, like 1 hit is plenty.

I take modafinil in the morning, 4 days a week. It never seems to keep me awake but I do notice that on the secomd day of not taking moda I have a worse nights sleep.

Depends on what mode I am in. If I am exercising and eating healthy, not drinking I can get 36 hours with not too much payback. If I am on the other end of the spectrum an all nighter is it.

I'm hopeless at staying awake, always the 1st to fall asleep. With modafanil I can pull an all nighter and not be a freak show until 4 in the afternoon the next day. For me that is insane.

40 hours seems to be a common thing, reports of 60 hours or more appear significant.

What happened to reddit in general?

The mods all sell competing nootropics so they steer people away from modafinil with bad experience threads, bad batch shit and the like. Yes it was a cool place a long time ago with people like Gwern making interesting posts but even then it was corrupt as hell.

All mods there are corrupt, not because reddit is bad (its actually as good as you could hope it to be) but because who the fuck else would want to do the work without pay?

reddit pretty much outlawed the afinil sub when the american government started holding them liable for content. Rex posted that his account was cancelled, you can see it on his page.

Yeah they killed r/darknetmarkets at the same time.

More like cannabis / modafinil.

You mean like alternating don't you

He means he's modastoned

I have been taking modafinil and armodafinil for around 6 months and I have been partaking in the canna for around 20 years. I have held of on smoking for the day and took moda in the morning so I have done it without getting elevated.

Moda usually makes me alert and aware and canna lazy as fuck but creative.

I have been eating edibles a lot lately and am currently on a nice dose of medicated peanut butter and 150mg of flmodafinil. It is almost like a war between the two since one is an upper and the other is a downer. I feel very ready to get shit done and creative. But I still get distracted and end up writing stuff like this.

In my opinion I dont think they have any negative effects when combined. They may cancel each other out to an extent but all in all I like the feeling even though I wish I was playing a game instead of working, and maybe had some gummies.

Side note on flmodafinil: I bought this before I ran out of armodafinil as backup after reading it was a lot stronger and most dose at around 50mg. It did not seem to impressive at 50mg, 75mg or 100mg. Today I took 150mg and it was like the first time taking a full armodafinil. Going to get more Armodafinil though as it seems more reliable.

As far as the cannabis goes it sounds like Indica, do you use sativa? It's the opposite of lazy for most people.

I sativa when I can find it. Just seems like most everything is hybrid anymore. Used to grow a few nice sativa strains that I wish I still had.

Interesting, sativa doesn't energize you?

I would not say that it energizes me per se. It is more so like it does not make me lazy like a heavy indica would. I do like sativa strains they just seem like getting a straight sativa or indica is getting harder and harder. There are just so many hybrids out there.

I think it's great if you know your rhythm with both. The cycles are pretty different, especially if you are smoking your cannabis.

I take edible cannabis 3 times a week and moda 3 to 4 times a week. Never really on the same day unless i started it with an early moda and a late afternoon edible then a night out. It seems pretty sustainable, some weeks I go a little more or less on either.

Why this comparison? Afinil and ritalin (meth), afinil and coke even, these make sense, cofee ain't in the same league.

Wait. Ritalian is meth?

No, its an AMphetamine not a METH-AMphetamine. The effects of Meth are much stronger, act quicker, and can be are more addicting. Basically because it's more recursive in your body.

Moda is shitloads cheaper.

Coffee can give you a jolt of energy and get you started but modaffinil is a much deeper charge than this. It lets you get focus on something for hours, in fact the biggest risk is that something useless will get your attention during onset and you wind up spending hours on it.

I have sold from every production run Sun (a bit less from the other manufacturers) has had in the last 3 years and have zero reason to believe in bad batches.

That said the complexities of medicine make these claims impossible to prove or disprove on their own merits.

I would welcome anyone that wants to develop a real testing solution to this. It would help me sell more and I'd pitch in to funding it, I'm sure most of the other sellers would too, we don't gain anything with questionable product.

Most of the allegations regarding pharmaceuticals from India being inferior in quality is a load of crap. Big Pharma sources a lot of precursors there. For cost cutting a lot of work was outsourced to India and the knowledge gathered was later used in new founded companies that made generics, that ironically has become a serious competitor for Big Pharma and a certain threat to their business model.

As precursors, knowledge, production process and so forth is identical to that of Big Pharma, I don't see why there would be any difference in quality. I'm not talking about counterfeit pills, they do exist, but any vendor selling that is out of business soon.

Testing that is not that difficult. A Marquis reagent is a good indicator to isolate what is in a pill sold as modafinil. The shade of color visually indicates the strength.

That does not tell you how much mg you have in a pill, but does allow you to test a so called 'US/EU' Premium brand. Basically there should be little or no difference.

Word, someone should tell this to the fuckwits on r/afinil.

dont take that subreddit seriously, its all shitposting to support adrafanil.

Testing is a real tough one without setting up an authority and that's the opposite of little biggy. I see your ratings history and I can't find one remark about quality, I think that's as good as we're going to have it without some extraordinary innovation.

I love moda but can't imagine daily use it seems like it would lose it's effects and you would be back where you started.

Sounds like you are not on the tough end of the ADHD spectrum. For me daily use is more like the difference between things working well vs struggling.

True this.

Can you imagine daily caffeine use? Then you are 75% there. Now imagine skipping a day and think how you feel or picture having an extra cup or 2 for a busy day.

Now give this up cold or take one tomorrow thats daily use right there.

Dependency. Afinil is a great thing, and fairly benign but like anything else if you get used to it's effects you get tolerance and psychological (not physical) addiction.

The cumulative effects of modafinil are not well known though there is some evidence that it builds up neuron protection, modulates circadian rhythms and produces advantages for cognitive development. Personally I don't think these effects are so terrific that they outweigh the possible negative side effects which are also kind of hazy and unproven.

I would say less extremes, I was often euphoric as an occasional user but also more short tempered according to my boyfriend. As a full time user it's more like a cleaner, more effective coffee habit, I have consistent energy don't crash in the afternoon but otherwise it's kinf of uneventful.

You're right, you don't know shit. What if the red/purple stuff is bad?

It's Inattention, filthy, red, purple inattention and it must be Destroyed.

Is there any chance of participating in a study? I would be happy to if this is the case.

When I took adrafinil, I enjoyed the effect at first. But, I had too many side effects due to the strain on my liver. It would give me frequent headaches and if I took an otc pain relief medicine for them, it created even more problems. The desired effects decreased very quickly if used 2 or more days in a row.

Not if you care about your liver. Adrafinil is basically modafinil after it is processed by your liver. Skip this process and save your liver by using modfanil instead.

I like adrafinil because it comes in a powder and that makes for better dosage control.

Only if you have time though, if you don't take the time tablets wind up being more consistent. Ive learned this shit the hard way

Ha, I tried to suggest this to my History Prof, he said he had heard about moda and asked his doctor and the doctor had never heard of it and suggested ritalin!

Imagine having to read all those papers moda is perfect for cranking out the shit exactly like this

I keep asking for them at my vitamin store and they act like Im nuts.

I can't say I blame them I'm having a hell of a time competing against modafinil here on little biggy.

Because it's bad news for the amphetamine industry and they have more money to bribe doctors and legislators.

this ain't conspiracy theory it's conspiracy fact. if there's even any hyperbole here it's the word bribes but complementary vacations and discretionary funds sure are bribes aren't they.

I did and I missed it tbh. Not so much for the focus but for awareness feeling when it first kicks in. That said glad I took a break.

I just did after near daily use for months and I felt bad for 6 days max. I can't say I missed it a lot and used the time to experiment with other nootropics especially the racetams. I will start the semester all healthy with noopept and then start slipping in the moda when studies start heating up.

I take classes and still have shit to get done

Try noopept, it will get you out of the house, elevate your mode and give you the healthy break g.

Anyone here have noopept?

I do

I get a little more aggressive, not really Trumpish but maybe like Larry David when he is in a good mood.

I always get a slide mood effect, usually it makes me short with people, I even get a tiny frown locked on my face but every now and then it makes me a bit euphoric.

I have never felt twitchy like adderall but my fingers have, moving on their own like a player piano, if I take moda 3 days straight.

I usually experience a mild/dull headache - onset about an hour after taking modalert 100-200mg, subsides typically on its own a few hours later.

I sometimes get a tiny headache as well. But, only if I have not yet eaten breakfast, not had enough water, &/or have taken another stimulating nootropic.
Once I eat something and drink some water, it's gone. **Typically, for me, if I get a tiny headache an hour after Modafinil, it's actually a caffeine withdrawal ache because I forgot to drink my morning Coffee (bc I already felt awake lol).

Sports! I have had the *worst* experiences like breaking bones and twitching and generally starting to freak myself into a heart attack simulation!

Whoah, wtf?

Really, it's like there's an afnil rythm that effects heartbeat and other rythms and it desynchronizes you from sports.

I can actually second this, maybe not so dramatically as mel because I play golf but I thought Id get a big focus boost especially around the time I usually get tired (11th hole) but instead by the 5th hole I got something that I can only describe as a ringing sound without the ringing. Like my frame rate in part of my brain was changed and the rest of me wasn't.

I would say socializing with small groups of people like family and people that know you well. With bigger crowds I think it actually helps with strangers.

Before I jumped on the ModaTrain, I used Adrafinil for a while. I enjoyed the overall feeling, but did not like the side effects (esp. on my liver). So, after much research, I switched to Modalert 200mg once daily upon waking @6am. So far, it has been everything I've hoped. I have not had to increase dose nor any side effects. Cycling is obviously preferred, but for me, once daily works best, esp if 2 days a week I take only half a tab (100mg). Tolerance can be a huge issue for MOST people! When I used to take Adderall and Ritalin, even just a low dose (3-30mg) for a few consecutive days severely limited the desired effects while increasing the negative effects. To my surprise, I have not had this issue with Modafinil. In fact, I can often lower to 50-100mg on days that I have little to do, & I still get great effects!

I'm over 50 and I have been taking 1 armodafinil and 1 modafinil a day for over a year. I boost it with Biopiperine. Before that, I had been taking modafinil twice a day because it wouldn't last. Armodafinil lasts longer but isn't as potent for me. AND, I still have to take a 20 minute power nap during the day. No trouble sleeping at night. Altogether, I've been taking it for about 22 months. No side effects. HOWEVER, my wife has been taking it for about as long but she doesn't take it every day, and she only needs 1 modafinil. She's in her 60s. I would always recommend what they do on reddit, and that's taking a half a pill the first time. If you are normal, 1/2 to 1 pill should be good for a day or more. Unfortunately for me, I react differently to meds than the normal person. I think the only side effect that I have had is the one that made me extremely successful. Glad I finally found something that keeps me awake and alert without giving me a high!

Modafinil and armodafinil have a half life of about 12 hours and 15 hours respectively, so we suggest taking one tab upon wakening. If you are new to afinil, start with 1/2 tab. This should keep you awake for the whole day. We caution exceeding one tab daily as it can result in over stimulation and insomnia.
Best practice is to limit use to 2 - 3 times a week.

This is almost exactly how I do it except on the 3rd day i take a full tab.

I initially took 100mg but I found that there was little effect, so on day 4 I took 200mg. This definitely did the trick. I have been taking 200mg daily for three months now. I have no problem sleeping.

Post your experiences with Modafinil here!

The weirdest thing I've noticed is you will start to smell it in your piss pretty strong, well hella remind you of the moment you took one

Yeah I get the "asparagus effect" every now and then :)

I just finished my first dozen or so capsules of Modafinil after first learning about it here. All in all I would say its been a quite good experience. My only tip for the peeps is don't gauge your experience on your 1st or second dose. For me these experiences were like a recreational drug, pretty amazing even like "Limitless" a bit. Doses 3 through 5 were actually disappointing, the euphoria and sense of being in control of the universe disappeared and I was anxious, maybe just from being bummed. After that things kind of stabilized and now I just feel more alert and focused like the man says. I will continue using a couple of times a week until I have a holiday from work.

I always stack moda with coffee, and have great results. My emphasis with both is moderation. 100 - 200mg day depending on my sleep cycle + espresso, both in the morning.

that's interesting, as i just read about moda + caffeine on reddit today. someone mentioned using something called 'smart caffeine'. do you know what that is?

Its blend of caffeine and l theaninine from a mob called "Natural Stacks". Not sure about it but it does bring up a good answer - |- thanine - very healthy sustainable way to get energy and its easily available.

Caffeine, l-theanine, & many herbs and natural nootropic supplements can be great for a little boost.
When I need a bigger boost, I add Sulbutiamine, Oxiracetam, or Phenylpiracetam. So far, they have all worked out wonderfully!

Eat a lot and get any rest you can before the surgery.

A lot of important qs here like how you react to moda in general - if you have any issues with your heart rate or any side effects I'd say reschedule the teeth.

cost. they start you on lowest cost, each pill has to be rejected b/c of side effects. Provigil costs $1500/mo.

If you straight up say your issue is narcolepsy you can get the moda scrip.

#dreamdoctor

If you said it was for improving focus that's what's going to happen unless you have an independent minded doctor. Moda prescriptions are for narcolepsy since this is what it has been tested for.

Not to mention (well actually *to* mention) adderall is promoted to doctors and moda is not. Follow the money.