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xs8
by  xs8
Express your opinion about vendors sharing the tracking code
Hi folks, please share your opinion about this subject.

From my personal experience, a lot of vendors refuse to give the tracking code (I'm talking about EU orders) because of "security issues". I think this is mostly wrong, I can understand if a new LB user asks you the tracking code straight after you've posted the item, but, if an older member of LB (with also a good reputation) asks you the tracking code, you SHOULD NOT refuse him for what HE PAID.

(The frustration starts when days have passed and you ask the vendor "can you please check where is my order?" and then you have to wait days to receive a reply, this could be avoided by giving the customer what he paid for)

Now, about the "security issue", let's be fair, if a cop would like to use the tracking code to track the dispatch point, he should just wait to receive the order and then he will be able to see the tracking code written on the parcel itself... So 2+2 = 5? Maybe for some vendors...


I'm not starting this topic with bad intentions, I just want to hear your opinion because I'm having enough of this.
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ojp83
100% agree my dude, if vendors are trying to be reputable then this would be a great way of showing trust and respect. At the end of the day we're the ones giving out our addresses to random people over the internet so we would like a bit of recognition. I get the feeling that some vendors lie about the date they send the goods, probably because they haven't enough stock in to fulfil the order in a timely manner. Honesty is the best policy in these situations
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klondyke
In a short while I've seen a marked difference between vendors that ship and communicate diligently (like THEPROVIDER and ukpacks) and the ones that couldn't care if they don't post the odd package. I mean, c'mon... statistically it is too unlikely that one vendor would have so much higher a rate of parcel loss and delay and the evidence points to pocketing the occasional profit instead of sending. Why else would a vendor (1) not offer tracked shipping and (2) advise people wait 16 days (which is I believe the amount of time it takes funds to clear...) before starting to ask questions. I'm not trying to be a dick (am I? sorry biggas) but waiting for my package is tearing me up inside.
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xs8
I fully agree with you, let's take for example RB, he just asks to wait 48h before asking for the tracking code.
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xs8
Exactly, from a different pov customers are more exposed than vendors.
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DeadRabb1t
Codswallop, we get a slap on the wrist and a don't it again warning.

That's not what a vendor gets
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de tok
Where exactly is the added risk in sharing the code? I have yet to see 1 answer to this question.

Any agent interested in a seller just has to order to see their stealth, tracking codes or whatever else a buyer has existentially.
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DeadRabb1t
It's one of these arguments where it's down to what people feel not about proof. Some vendors feel comfortable sharing the codes some don't.

A potential solutions would be a flair in the postal section the vendor could activate to show they share codes or something (or they could just write it somewhere that they do)

Arguing about what's the right way is like arguing all vendors should offer a tracked option, it's a risk that some vendors don't want to take and some do but can't find a suitable opsec way to do it (I guess) .

Take it easy 😄
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klondyke
This is true, but I want to add that since babylon focuses on vendors they are more at risk of being... normalised.
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illirum
From my viewpoint babylon is still mainly concerned with the end-user. Because we are not protected by anyone/thing except our wits and money. So theres almost no risk in getting to most of us. And I think big percentage of vendors have protection like you and me can only dream of. Nevermind the funds they have available...
+0
PieBoy
In what way are you at risk?

Just buy from the organised criminals you prefer who can afford to pay (hopefully) or coerce someone to go to the post office, rather than insist weed growers take bigger risks on your behalf.
+2
xs8
Look, I have expressed more than one time my point of view, and the LOGIC behind it.

Looks like some of you are not able to see further than their nose, so I'll stop replying the same thing over and over.

You can't afford to share the tracking number? Then don't sell on the internet, simple.
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PieBoy
You asked for opinions.
I get the point you make and I can see why you think it logical when you ignore all the counter views.

If it were tracked only, LB would be gone in a week, simple.

When sites like this get compromised, they don't get closed down, they just look and apparently work like they always did, except not.
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xs8
Am I being unable to express myself correctly in English?

If such an operation will take place, not sharing the tracking code is not going to save any vendor...

Please, follow the simple logic behind:

I'm vendor A, I don't share the tracking code for security reasons. (maybe a cop could see it online and track me down? Highly unlikely to happen, the only way is the one which has happen in the article you shared, in that case sharing or no sharing the tracking code is our last problem).

I'm customer B:
I want to get the tracking code because I want to know when my order will land, so I can be home or just know when I have to go to the post office to get it.

I'm officer C:
We are having a small operation, the website security is relatively good so it's not worth investing a lot of money to be able to hijack it, but instead, the operation is to be a customer.

Today I buy from vendor A, he is not sharing the tracking code, feeling that doing this is the smart move... Alright, I'll then just wait a couple of days until I'll receive the parcel and I can see the tracking code written in plain eyesight on the parcel, then let's repet this 100 times until we can narrow down the area from which they are operating.


I really hope this example is gonna make more sense to all of you who heavily protect the "not sharing the tracking is more safe" policy.
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PieBoy
Example A is the reason I hold the opinion I shared, at your request.

You've been clear that you think it's a silly / small risk vendors should take for you, some agree, I wouldn't. Maybe I've heard too much DarkNet Diaries.

Thankfully, there are sellers to suit all of us, and we can all just get high and get along. Cheers.
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ike
Logic matters🌝
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Canadian Imports
Hi guys just thought we would share our point of view, for international orders we share all tracking numbers sometimes this can that up to one day to share as we aren't online when doing our rounds but we do believe as international orders can have such a varied timeframe depending on the destination that the customer needs to know how close to arriving it is, saying this we don't feel its necessary to share tracking for NDD UK to UK as we simply wouldn't have enough time in the day to match tracking numbers to orders,
If their are any issues with UK orders and they aren't delivered within the NDD timeframe then obviously we share tracking number but so far this had only occurred once and it was a issue on RM's side. We don't know how other vendors usually operate but we haven't heard any complaints from our customers so far :)
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coldspurs
Good answer and im glad youre records arent so tied to each other :)
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illirum
Yep, I agree. Im new tho so I understand if vendors are careful. On my 2nd order here I had to wait for almost a month and eventually was re-funded by transaxe, which was very frustrating. This could be avoided if tracking numbers are the standard. Because I think this gives scammers an opening. Why would they have to send you the order if they dont have to show proof of sending. And if guys like hootan and hashishin do it, why wouldnt everybody do it? Maybe cause it costs more eh? And there are more reasons why I think it should be the standard.
Btw. I order stuff from UK on ebay all the time and I can tell you that packages with high priority, air mail and tracked, go through 3 times faster. In this case Matcha powder. I made 2 orders, 3 weeks apart, with same value from 2 shops, and first went through customs and I had to pay extra when it got delivered after almost a month! The other one went through without any extra cost and in 8 days!
I think that some sellers say that they will use postage that costs 15$ and then they use 5$ postage without admitting it to the buyer. And some sellers are probly just stupid and they cite the highest possible value on the declaration.
I can also tell you that I get stuff thats a bit more dangerous in my post, from NL. And I see how pros are doing it. Everything is nicely printed and declared as a sample or a gift, and if you pay for tracking you get it. They always have return adress.
I guess it largely depends on how smug and sure and well connected a seller is with his postal agent. Btw, dhl also can be used for heavy illegal stuff but that is rare in my experience.
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xs8
I agree with you, I don't understand why almost any parcel sent from vendors on LB takes so long to land (even if are tracked).
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illirum
Yeah, if the package is posted with low priority it will be extremely slow. If I order from anywhere in Europe area (even from Russia) and its set as high priority I get it in 10 days max. And if its low then its 2-4 weeks. Forgot to mention Im south EU.
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xs8
And almost all vendors charge 15-18 usd for tracked delivery, such a shame...
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illirum
Idk, maybe some of these vendors just arent savvy enough to discover the best way to ship
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theStrokes
my bigga.

we need a list of vendors that share the tracking code vs not. sayno2drugs does for one and they are the most experienced seller on this site.
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BudBoy1980
the gents share tracking.
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xs8
That's a great idea, I know RadarBreeder and TheGreenTeam do share tracking codes (and both are great vendors)
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HashBot
It’s incredibly difficult to pay for tracked post without leaving some trace to the vendor, opening that up to unencrypted messaging on a platform like this is a risk with little material benefit.

Nice to know it’s coming but otherwise?
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xs8
If some law enforcement has gained access to LB (and by access I mean as an administrator) getting the tracking code would be the last thing to worry about...
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HashBot
I respectfully disagree, If you’re selling here you must assume everyone including admin is law enforcement and set your stall accordingly. If the platform wants to, it can and will block you using pgp.

Maybe just support sellers that do it the way you’d prefer?
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xs8
I appreciate you for taking the time to share your opinion on this, but, I think that sharing the tracking code does not create a breach in the security for the vendors.

The tracking code is visible on the parcel itself. Would be so hard for law enforcement to create a 1-2 years operation to order from vendors just to receive the parcel with the tracking code and try to locate them based on that information?

That's what I mean by saying that by not sharing the tracking number you are building a little more layer of security... No, you are not! It is just an illusion.
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DeadRabb1t
And that's the key point, your thinking. Other people may have a different way of thinking.

Personally I have no issues with vendors not handing out tracking codes as I "think" the risk to them is far greater than it is to the end user. However not every vendor agrees with me and the likes of TGD send you a tracking number once shipped.

I suggest messaging any new vendor beforehand to ask if they provide it up front and if not sticking to the vendors who do
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howlateisnow
all the data here is encrypted
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24601
Lots of sellers subscribe to security policies handed down from the early darknet, which had an emphasis on big wholesale orders.

I think one fear is that the customer is under surveillance and and that this information should be handled on a "need to know" basis. Thus the delay in handing out unless the package is missing.

How much sense this makes for personal amounts is another question, it would be nice to hear a seller speak on this directly.
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Noxa88
Yes that’s exactly what I’d do if I was selling contraband, let them know almost a pinpoint location, honestly you people amaze me, everyone gives out tracking codes there is no LB, be patient wait for you weed be happy, tracking illegal deliveries, super smart.
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xs8
Buying illegal stuff on the internet, super smart...

Please, at least read carefully what I've wrote in the main topic and learn that 2+2 = 4.
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klondyke
Add PGP public keys as part of one's profile and we're golden.
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klondyke
Just saw we do have PGP keys on the settings page!
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Bobby19842
Hi. I'm bizzarley locked out of my account. Saying my username and password aren't recognised even though they are all correct? I've made this new account but could you be able to get back my original account with my stats etc? Username - Bobby19841

Thanks!
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xs8
You should contact an admin from LB
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