I was raised catholic and this is seriously the best joke I’ve read on this site lmao

Mass murder; centuries of child abuse, financial manipulation of countries and its peoples, stifling science for centuries, masses of lies and corruption, manipulating the world, controlling the weak minded, instilling a ridiculous morality onto its followers that only incites hatred and misery

The catholic churuch is just the greatest group of criminals to ever exist

God I’m so proud to be catholic 😂

You forgot to include wealthiest, if the Roman Catholic Church realised all it's assets then they could probably eradicate world poverty in a year

Facts

What mass murders?

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All Abrahamic religions are backwards and immoral, imo.

Christian god Genocided the whole planet to prove a point, and the Muslim Prophet, well, look up the age of Aisha when he married her.

We no longer need religion, its just a tool to distract and divide people.

Edgy.

The Catholics needed a pedant on their side not a pendant. Taken literally this position gets a lot easier to defend.

All religions no matter what are just man made ideas and a collection of stories. Stories that were spoken often over a drink and made into whatever you made up round a fire. People needed controlling with a certain fear thousands of years ago and needed a divine leader. I'm uncomfortable with it all. It's all just made up. And to think it is the basis of all wars, man made ideology. Bad work I say

I'm not sure trying to peg any organisation as objectively good or bad is possible, but also fuck the Catholic Church and all they are.

This reminds me of a Jam lyric: "We were no match for their untamed wit".

Jesus is King

are there any gods that support democracy?

laugh all you like but the basic philosophy of jesus is love and that is exactly what the world needs.

Yet his loudest followers scream at women at abortion clinics, promote violence towards gay people and basically act like 15th century bigots with torches

Doesn’t sound very loving to me, sounds more like a relationship with Ike Turner

Jesus spoke beautiful words but they’ve been twisted and manipulated to spread hate not love by the loudest “believers” as evidenced in every evil act done in the name of Jesus or Christianity

I’m gonna stick to worshipping the truest deity known to man- our lady and saviour MARY JANE 🤣

im wit u and the lady but remember the loudest followers for anything aren't the truest

When have God fearers and followers of jesus christ ever attacked anyone, gay or straight?

with that but the question remains

God is not democratic or wavering in any way, its his way or the burning pits for eternity he mentions he is a jealous God and if you are two minded then you are not with him

Yes but they die in an apocalyptic battle with stupidity

Objectively for its merit orthadox Christianity seems like a good guide to me. The scope of practicing virtue and aiming to overcome vices and sin I can't really think of a more noble cause. I think it's definitely not for the feint hearted and seems we're in an age of hedonism with little to no solid, tangible spiritual values.

Living to a higher power or God has a drastic effect on people in the relms of recovery and elsewhere. I am coming to terms with it as it as a path over the self and see great oppertunity with aligning ones values for a greater purpose and in vitro achieving one's own potential while on this earth.

Probably the most original and though through answer. I myself know God exist but even if he didn't and I just thought he did, everything the bible teaches about morals and character has made me a better person and it does the same with anyone who follows the teachings of jesus christ. Jesus only had 12 disciples and it says in the bible following jesus will lead to ridicule and struggle. Earth is Satan's playground and we are vastly out numbered but when all returns to dust only almighty God will remain.

And saying the church and its various denominations are a true representation of God and all who follow is the same as saying jihadist and the taliban are a true representation of all Muslims and all who follows Islam.

Jesus as philosopher is undeniably legit. And surely in touch with what humans can agree upon as holy (love).

Beyond that shit can get insulting, even offensive at times.

Every super power has its good and evil sides too it it’s up too you to keep them balanced in the right way.

yea sure why not, in general i think the catholic church is a force for good in the world

Let's have a look at bit of history:
1) Reconquista of Spain - overcame the previous more liberal Islamic Al-Andalus. Explusion of Jews & Muslims
2) The cultural rape of the Americas - effectively extinguishing the native way of life
3) All of those European wars which were pretty much Catholics vs Prods (Prods as bad as Catholics in this case)
4) More recently - at a time of AIDs and other STDs saying use of condoms 'evil'.
5) Messing up the psyche of its followers by seeing sex as dirty
6) A great place to work as a preist if you don't like adult women and prefer to have sex with under age boys and girls.

Boooom

If I were a smart man I’d have worded my reply this well haha

Love use of such modern issues caused by the church, generally people seem to think the evil they’ve done is centuries ago, but there’s so much in modern history; in living memory that prevents catholism from ever being objectively “good”

I don't think I've ever heard or seen Widdicombe and not immediately wanted to scrape my eyes out and shove dynamite in my ears.

What a horrificly horrible and hateful person she is. Eugh

We know you want her.

who wouldnt

I don't like Anne Widdecombe at all, but from what I remember from this debate (I watched it a few years ago) she switched from Christianity to Catholoisim because of the amount of hypocrisy in the C of E.

Now don't even get me started on the hypocrisy in the Catholic Church, but I must admit I do somewhat sympathise with the point she was making.

You can't have a religion based upon a book that says "we don't agree with homosexuality" then just ignore that view because it's no longer popular.

It's like the Christian Church is now willing to ignore any of its doctrines just to remain "relevant", and get some likes on Twitter.

If you're going to be a bigoted religion, at least own it.

I'm not really into arguing about religion or politics, and I'm neither religious nor particularly political, but I do have to admit a begrudging respect for any religion that at least sticks by it's dogmatic roots, however ridiculous those roots are.

That's pretty much all I got from Widdicombe that was worth thinking about.

The rest of her nonsense....isn't worth anyone's time.

Cheers BB 😊👍🍻

All versions of Christianity ignore some parts of the bible because it's not popular. The Bible says not to wear two different types of fabric at once, and to sell your daughter to her rapist, but no Christians are abiding by that. They are all as bad as each other, to pretend like she's calling out hypocrisy by changing from one hateful religion to another is so deceitful, another part of the reason she is scum.

starting to sound like a fun read, any sightings?

In what book and chapter is this mentioned please?

Dunno if you ever saw her debating with Stephen Fry and I think Chris Hitchins or possibly Jordan Peterson at Oxford? Between them they gave her the best fucking she's ever had

Seems like your listening to people instead of reading the bible for yourself

Listening to an argument over whether or not giant omniscient sky pixies exist?

The simple fact you think God 'lives in the sky' shows how limited your wisdom is.

Oh spare me your shite

Im pretty sure that its impossible for anyone to create an image of god that is without its shadow, although i have much love for the doctrines of christ i do feel that perhaps the demons, antichrists etc are an artifact of the premise and not independently existent.

Already seen this you don't want to know my take as a Satanic/pagan Witch/warlock ... But i agree with stephen about most things. The part i can't stomach is that The church brag (Or used to) about their il educated followers from africa.. one reason why i returned to the ways of my old english ancestors.. in all things balance and respect for nature and our home.. Ave Lucifer the light bringer and Giver of knowlage .. Ave lilith mother of all witches and reflection of the black sun.

"Giver of knowlage..."

Well that all sounds pretty knowlagabel to me.

Were do I syne up?

Cheers BB 👌

XD lucifer before the bible... In Roman folklore, Lucifer was the name of the planet Venus, Also worshiped as a wisdom god.

Is spelling and grammar not a part of "wisdom and knowledge?" (or knowlage)

You'd have thought the old Lucibubs would've at least armed you with a dictionary.

Anyway, each to their own. ❤️

Cheers BB 😊👍🍻

this explans it better https://partiallyexaminedlife.com/2020/02/25/lucifer-how-a-decent-deity-got-a-bad-rap-part-1/ and i was never very good at eather of those i was always more creative. XD i'll be the first one to admit i can't spell and my grammer since the net has gone to pot ... XD

There's nothing wrong with having limited spelling and grammar buddy, but I struggle to understand why you would come on here claiming "wisdom and knowledge" given to you by some dark force when you can't even spell the words properly....

I know nothing about open heart surgery, so I'm not going to claim I have "specialism in the field" when it's very clear I don't.

Wisdom has nothing to do with education, but to claim you have wisdom AND knowledge, because you worship the devil...

Yet you can't even spell 'knowledge'...

Sorry. But that needed to be called out.

Spelling and grammar are nothing. Manners maketh the man.

All the best and like I say, each to their own just please don't claim to have superiority in wisdom and knowledge by worshiping anyone, least of all the devil and witches.

Cheers BB

i don't worship any deity i work with them and i never claimed they gave me anything. the last part of what i said was just Veting or honouring the witch king and queen ( the male and female aspects of nature) i never claimed anything...

Fair enough buddy, sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick.

All the best ❤️

Cheers BB 😊

No problem BB also Keats and Einstein (sry for the spelling) couldn't spell so saying somone is not wise because they can't spell i feel is redundant. i guess what im trying to say even the dumbest of us can be wise. I mean even the dimist of sparks like myself still puts out a little light :)

Now you're making me feel bad. 😔 Sorry. I do post derogatory shit sometimes when I'm awake late.

You keep doing your thing buddy if it makes you happy.

Much love to you. ❤️

Cheers BB 😊🍻

same G we are not perfect only human after all eh ? :) And i will, I feel what ever faith or not anyone follows if it makes them a better person it can only be a good thing right ? ... i just feel some where along the path people started to use it for control and not to help and heal..

Pitching the devil sounds like an interesting line of work.

pay is great just ask jk rowling

2nd Greatest woman alive.

the word Devil means adversary... Rowling XD are you another one of those magic is the work of the devil hacks??

not the devil but the witch king look up traditional witchcraft...

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Did a double take without the beard.

That's one I can't go with mate. Sid was just a poster boy. Couldn't play, couldn't write. Just looked good sneering in a biker jacket. For me the saddest thing is he is what people mostly remember about punk yet he contributed so little. He was a sad junkie. As for Nancy I recommend you read "And I Don't Want to Live This Life" by her Mum. It will break your heart.

Sad junkie lmao

Did you ask what peoples influences are just so you can rip on them? Thats pretty weak my guy, sid (john) was given heroin by his mother at 16, dudes life was chaotic and tragic, for him to pass at 21 from the drugs his mother introduced to him is horrible, the guy was gone way before his time which is what your post is about

Also it doesnt get any more punk rock than the sex pistols

By the way noticed you've been going back and voting down all my posts. Well if you're going to be that petty and childish then two can play at that game so will be doing the same to you. Have fun!

its like a fountain of youth :)

Sorry mate didn't mean to offend you. Just expressing an opinion as someone who was there in the 70s. Yes Sid's life was tragic, but as for punk he contributed very little other than an image. There was so many others that really meant something to the movement. John Ritchie was just a sad albeit good looking junkie. You choose your heroes mate, it's up to you.

Wholeheartedly agree.
Tbh I think the sex pistols have always been massively overrated and labeled iconic when you have bands like the clash with actual musical talent

Punk rock isnt about who has better musical talent

"The Clash recognized the Sex Pistols as the vital catalyst of the UK punk scene. They knew the Pistols were the first to detonate the mainstream rock establishment and grab national attention, opening doors for bands that followed"

The sex pistols were iconic

Punk wasn't about musical talent. In fact it was the opposite. That was the whole point. That said just being a pretty boy for the colour supplements as Sid was went against everything that punk stood for. Johnny was dangerous, Siouxsie was dangerous, Sid was a puppet.

You reminded us he was a pistol *and* a banshee. That's pretty incredible.

Your post is about people who passed before there time and what peoples influences are

To just straight up rip on them for posting theirs is pretty foul, have another drink pal

Obviously people arent influenced by his bass playing skills alone but regardless he learned bass and a few months later was touring the uk and europe

him being an amateur bassist doesnt make his death any less tragic, which again, thats what your post is about, people that passed before there time

Oh grow up ffs. So I'm "ripping on" Sid Vicious. Maybe you need to look at the heroes you worship. Maybe you're just into the whole junkie chic, the shallow image without looking beyond it. He had no bass playing skills, it was purely his image that appealed to easily led people like you. The man had nothing else to offer. He was an empty shell nurtered and created by Malcolm McLaren to fool easily led sheep like you. Get a grip.

"Heroes you worship" lol he simply posted a picture of someone that passed before there time, wind down pal youve had a few too many tonight 😂 yes you did rip on him you just said he was a sad junkie that couldnt play bass

He was a bass player in a rock band he didnt need to be an extraordinary player and even if he was that wouldnt make his passing any less tragic, not surprised at all that in your other post you were talking about being lonely, what an arsehole 😂

Guy is now downvoting my competiton entries how sad lol

I actually just realised you wanker that you're not even the guy I was replying to. You're just some sad tosser thinking he's speaking up on someone else's behalf. You have a particular axe to grind for some reason?

I hate to interrupt a man crush battle but how about the Damme that pimped that ass and built an empire that outlasted punk.

RIP

Jesus you really are a tosser. And you're over doing the whole "had a few too many" thing. You're like a broken record. Try playing a different tune, or is that beyond your limited imagination? Face it mate, you're a dumb prick. Go fuck yourself. And in the meanwhile I'll keep on voting down your posts like you are with mine. I'm not proud of sinking to your childish level but whatever. You do unto me and I will do unto you.

So youre triggered because you know I'm right 😂 someone simply replied to your post with a person that passed before there time, to rip on said person because he wasent an incredible bass player is completely out of order, the guy passed at 21 doesnt matter how good at bass he was, put the beer down fella its monday night

I've only downvoted your posts on this thread, youre off your head haha

Guy just downvoted 27 of my posts and comments, hes clearly not well

Grow a pair of balls mate and own up. No one will condemn you for it. Take care my friend.

You 2 are awesome, this is exactly what punk intended.

Reading these messages in Sid's voice really changes the tone 😅

Thanks mate, I try my best! Have a good evening.

Oh well seems you'd rather vote my comments down than actually present a counter argument. Maybe you just need to grow up and get a life.

I'm just fearing the day I hear David Attenborough has passed. I'll need to take an emergency week off work. As would most of the country lol

I read somewhere the other day that some kid reckoned that David Attenborough was really God and because people weren't paying enough attention to His creations He had to manifest in human form and make engaging documentaries so we'd understand how amazing it all was. I kinda like the idea

You're nobody till somebody kills you

Not dead - but I saw Orbital at Sheffield Octagon in the early 90's. DJ booth in the middle of the room. 2 fellas with head torches playing 1800 ravers - with meaning. Changed my view on what one could do with their time that lasts to this day.

Around the time of Yellow and Brown, or just Yellow? One of my worst experiences at Glastonbury was seeing Orbital in '97 or '98 as the acoustics were appalling. Aphex Twin in the dance tent was better, but my mate fell asleep on the grass, in 2 different ways.

Must have been '94 because Snivilization featured heavily and that was the year I quit fixing tractors and enrolled at art college.

Snivilization was such a great album. One of my all time favourites.

I cried my eyes out when Bowie died. Only the death of John Lennon and Terry Hall affected me that way. Maybe Tom Petty too. I was lucky enough to see Bowie play live in '73 on one of the last gigs on his Ziggy tour. The man was a one-off.

You're just trolling the punks now.

Breakdown, it's alright

Saw Tom live on the Damn the Torpedoes tour at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1979. One of the best gigs of my life. He was so good.

Case by case basis really. Seen Blur at Wembley recently and they were great. Sometimes it's better though to let things be. Stone Roses also good although those 2 new tracks were bad. Good idea to have not bothered with an album.

reckon its a comedy tour

if i have never seen the band in the past it feels good to get them in before they die.

Money grab

I would downvote this question but i dont wanna be rude

New Order everytime! True Faith is a classic :)

Tough one that. Vince Clarke era Depeche were arguably the best.
Pure electronic pop music and Vince cemented that with the fantastic Yazoo.
New order are really more of a British institution as later Depeche went full on American rock gods cliche, and not really my thing.
Born out of Joy Division ultimately New Order’s path was foisted upon them by the untimely tragedy of Ian Curtis but they rose to the occasion and still put out the occasionally brilliant record (last one for me was ‘shifty’) and have a back catalogue of strong albums with ‘Technique’ ‘Power Corruption and Lies’ being my favourites.

Can I say both?

Cheers BB😊👍

Another vote for New Order. I have the legendarily runious pressing of Blue Monday (FAC 73) on vinyl in excellent condition. Got to love a band who have a song that enables them to get out of the venue before the end of it at their shows.

New order for me, in fact it's going in the background while i work now.

new order for sure

New Order for life, 40 years man and boy. What about, current New Order vs Peter Hook and The Light?

One of my favs from Maribou State

"Overmono" have been killing it for me over the last year or so. They are worth checking out.....

On my Spotify playlist for my commute in the morning thanks bro!

Its because Simon Cowell the living incarnation of the anti-christ ruined the music industry. I got into NWOBHM. New wave of British heavy metal. I saw Saxon supporting Rainbow and the crowd were still calling for Saxon after Rainbow set. Blackmore fired them as the support band. Thats the only time I have seen the support band blow the headline band away.

This was circa 1980 which was a year for metal. You also had the sunset strip bands. There seemed to be a new band every month. Then there was the rave scene I got into because of the parties.

The last band that made me go I have to get an album was System of a Down Mesmerize the track BYOB Bring your own bomb. Its now a band every 10 years or so.

You think its you getting old but its not. I teach music and check out new stuff regularly and nothing moves me if I can hear who they are copying. There doesnt seem to be as many up and comming bands around.

New Godfather Don was fucking banging - Casual album dope too

random access memories from daft punk is absolutely mega.

Anything from Prometheus, More I listen to his alums the more it gets better.

Old School album Never Mind The Bollocks The Sex Pistols is prob the most exiting album ive ever heard. Anarchy in the Uk ,Bodies etc etc etc all class tracks (most banned at the time by the BBC) Very exiting times , Keep in green folks X